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Re: !Shriek! question

Arnold Harding. - KQ6DI
 

Greg,
I don't know the answer to your questions, however...

I am probably within RF range of you.  I'd be happy to send a Shriek as well so it might show up for you.  I'd rather not use K6ARC since I'm not in their club, but I'd be happy to send something else so you can play.  Let me know.

Arnold
KQ6DI-2


From: "Greg D ko6th.greg@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 10:25:24 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

Ok, so now you got me curious...

My mentally deranged analogy for a Shriek is a Twitter "hash tag"...  Am I close?

So on my iGate's APRSIS32 instance I went to view | Shrieks | K6ARC (it's the only one listed), thinking I would see that station and those "following" it.  What occurred surprised me.  Most of the stations on the screen disappeared, but not of them.  I'm still there ("ME"), the local main Digi, and a couple of other stations and iGates.  All the stuff from Firenet is gone (makes sense), but I can't figure out what the remaining stations have in common.  All have been heard on RF, but other RF stations aren't shown, for example.  If I try to find K6ARC, it's not currently known (brings up a "waiting for" multitrack).

What did I just tell APRSIS32 to do?

Greg  KO6TH


'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:
 

Once a !shriek! is in the View / Shrieks cascading menu, it stays there until APRSISCE/32 is restarted.  At least, that's currently the way it works which is why you might see a (0) on some of the !shrieks!.

If a !shriek! is included in a nickname comment, that !shriek! should appear in your View / Shrieks menu if that station is known.

Stations are known until they are forgotten which is based on your MaxAge settings.  Double-click the narrow vertical bar just to the right of the map and look at the Age range.  The number in () is the Age limit for Buddies.

Stations may be recalled after a restart if you have a filter configured in Configure / Save Posits.  I keep a t/p in there so that all of my known posits (which are those that haven't aged out) are recalled across restarts.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 8:39 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I feel like I'm pestering you about this, but the more I learn about this, the better this gets.

So, I assume that as long as you have a station in the local database that transmitted a Shriek, that station would be in that Shriek group.  Not that I would want to, but could this Shriek be sent once a day, and this would be enough to keep it?  Or do I need to refresh at least once an hour?  I wouldn't do that, I would send it much more often, but it would be nice to understand.  I also understand that it wouldn't be in the Shriek database until aprsisce received it (or it was added into Nicknames).

I also see one being used locally, so it's nice to see that other comments can be included at the same time.

!K6ARC! W1 W2 Amador County ARC
.
Thanks again,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

Yes, there can be multiple View / Shrieks active at any time.  And yes, there are up to 32 unique !shrieks! supported, but since !SN! can come in from the Spotter Network and others may also be there, you might not actually have 32 available for your personal use.  But you should have enough available, at least until more people start using more unique ones and I need to increase the limit in APRSISCE/32!


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce" <aprsisce@...>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  

















Re: Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

bob morgan
 

Thanks for the input, guess I will continue to use the 710 APRS option. All seemed to work and I like the info that shows on the 710. I leave the beacon off on the radio and let aprs32 handle the beaconing set to
Genius and does work well.
Bob
Kj4sv


Re: !Shriek! question

Greg D
 

Ok, so now you got me curious...

My mentally deranged analogy for a Shriek is a Twitter "hash tag"...  Am I close?

So on my iGate's APRSIS32 instance I went to view | Shrieks | K6ARC (it's the only one listed), thinking I would see that station and those "following" it.  What occurred surprised me.  Most of the stations on the screen disappeared, but not of them.  I'm still there ("ME"), the local main Digi, and a couple of other stations and iGates.  All the stuff from Firenet is gone (makes sense), but I can't figure out what the remaining stations have in common.  All have been heard on RF, but other RF stations aren't shown, for example.  If I try to find K6ARC, it's not currently known (brings up a "waiting for" multitrack).

What did I just tell APRSIS32 to do?

Greg  KO6TH


'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:

 

Once a !shriek! is in the View / Shrieks cascading menu, it stays there until APRSISCE/32 is restarted.  At least, that's currently the way it works which is why you might see a (0) on some of the !shrieks!.

If a !shriek! is included in a nickname comment, that !shriek! should appear in your View / Shrieks menu if that station is known.

Stations are known until they are forgotten which is based on your MaxAge settings.  Double-click the narrow vertical bar just to the right of the map and look at the Age range.  The number in () is the Age limit for Buddies.

Stations may be recalled after a restart if you have a filter configured in Configure / Save Posits.  I keep a t/p in there so that all of my known posits (which are those that haven't aged out) are recalled across restarts.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 8:39 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I feel like I'm pestering you about this, but the more I learn about this, the better this gets.

So, I assume that as long as you have a station in the local database that transmitted a Shriek, that station would be in that Shriek group.  Not that I would want to, but could this Shriek be sent once a day, and this would be enough to keep it?  Or do I need to refresh at least once an hour?  I wouldn't do that, I would send it much more often, but it would be nice to understand.  I also understand that it wouldn't be in the Shriek database until aprsisce received it (or it was added into Nicknames).

I also see one being used locally, so it's nice to see that other comments can be included at the same time.

!K6ARC! W1 W2 Amador County ARC
.
Thanks again,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

Yes, there can be multiple View / Shrieks active at any time.  And yes, there are up to 32 unique !shrieks! supported, but since !SN! can come in from the Spotter Network and others may also be there, you might not actually have 32 available for your personal use.  But you should have enough available, at least until more people start using more unique ones and I need to increase the limit in APRSISCE/32!


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 2:08 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  















Re: Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

Rob Giuliano
 

If I understand the manual, I would state it as:
  APRS12   -> radio is in APRS control and the computer only receives "pass through"
  Packet12 -> computer is in control and the radio on does what it is told
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "Herm hermhalbach@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

 
APRS 12 is purely for Automatic Packet Reporting System where as Packet12 is for X.25 TNC functions for software such as WinLink.
73
Herm, KG7WMZ

On 5/4/2017 7:15 AM, bobmorgan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
 
Many of you were very helpful when I was trying to setup the 710G to work with APRSIS32. My setup seems to be working Ok but I do have a question. When I setup the port I selected 710 aprs 12 in the port settings. I have read others select 710 packet in the port setup. My question is what is the preferred selection
(packet or aprs 12) ?

Thanks much,
Bob
kj4sv





Re: Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

Herm <hermhalbach@...>
 

APRS 12 is purely for Automatic Packet Reporting System where as Packet12 is for X.25 TNC functions for software such as WinLink.

73

Herm, KG7WMZ


On 5/4/2017 7:15 AM, bobmorgan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
 

Many of you were very helpful when I was trying to setup the 710G to work with APRSIS32. My setup seems to be working Ok but I do have a question. When I setup the port I selected 710 aprs 12 in the port settings. I have read others select 710 packet in the port setup. My question is what is the preferred selection
(packet or aprs 12) ?

Thanks much,
Bob
kj4sv




Re: Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

Adam Mahnke
 

If you run aprs12 then your radio will display APRS Data. If you run packet, the radio doesn't display any information. I also think if you run it in packet mode the GPS pass through doesn't work

From: bobmorgan@... [aprsisce]
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 10:15
Subject: [aprsisce] Port setup 710G/APRSIS32
To: aprsisce@...

 

Many of you were very helpful when I was trying to setup the 710G to work with APRSIS32. My setup seems to be working Ok but I do have a question. When I setup the port I selected 710 aprs 12 in the port settings. I have read others select 710 packet in the port setup. My question is what is the preferred selection
(packet or aprs 12) ?

Thanks much,
Bob
kj4sv




Port setup 710G/APRSIS32

bob morgan
 

Many of you were very helpful when I was trying to setup the 710G to work with APRSIS32. My setup seems to be working Ok but I do have a question. When I setup the port I selected 710 aprs 12 in the port settings. I have read others select 710 packet in the port setup. My question is what is the preferred selection
(packet or aprs 12) ?

Thanks much,
Bob
kj4sv



Re: !Shriek! question

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Once a !shriek! is in the View / Shrieks cascading menu, it stays there until APRSISCE/32 is restarted.  At least, that's currently the way it works which is why you might see a (0) on some of the !shrieks!.

If a !shriek! is included in a nickname comment, that !shriek! should appear in your View / Shrieks menu if that station is known.

Stations are known until they are forgotten which is based on your MaxAge settings.  Double-click the narrow vertical bar just to the right of the map and look at the Age range.  The number in () is the Age limit for Buddies.

Stations may be recalled after a restart if you have a filter configured in Configure / Save Posits.  I keep a t/p in there so that all of my known posits (which are those that haven't aged out) are recalled across restarts.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 8:39 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I feel like I'm pestering you about this, but the more I learn about this, the better this gets.

So, I assume that as long as you have a station in the local database that transmitted a Shriek, that station would be in that Shriek group.  Not that I would want to, but could this Shriek be sent once a day, and this would be enough to keep it?  Or do I need to refresh at least once an hour?  I wouldn't do that, I would send it much more often, but it would be nice to understand.  I also understand that it wouldn't be in the Shriek database until aprsisce received it (or it was added into Nicknames).

I also see one being used locally, so it's nice to see that other comments can be included at the same time.

!K6ARC! W1 W2 Amador County ARC
.
Thanks again,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

Yes, there can be multiple View / Shrieks active at any time.  And yes, there are up to 32 unique !shrieks! supported, but since !SN! can come in from the Spotter Network and others may also be there, you might not actually have 32 available for your personal use.  But you should have enough available, at least until more people start using more unique ones and I need to increase the limit in APRSISCE/32!


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 2:08 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  














Re: !Shriek! question

Arnold Harding. - KQ6DI
 

I feel like I'm pestering you about this, but the more I learn about this, the better this gets.

So, I assume that as long as you have a station in the local database that transmitted a Shriek, that station would be in that Shriek group.  Not that I would want to, but could this Shriek be sent once a day, and this would be enough to keep it?  Or do I need to refresh at least once an hour?  I wouldn't do that, I would send it much more often, but it would be nice to understand.  I also understand that it wouldn't be in the Shriek database until aprsisce received it (or it was added into Nicknames).

I also see one being used locally, so it's nice to see that other comments can be included at the same time.

!K6ARC! W1 W2 Amador County ARC
.
Thanks again,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

Yes, there can be multiple View / Shrieks active at any time.  And yes, there are up to 32 unique !shrieks! supported, but since !SN! can come in from the Spotter Network and others may also be there, you might not actually have 32 available for your personal use.  But you should have enough available, at least until more people start using more unique ones and I need to increase the limit in APRSISCE/32!


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 2:08 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To:
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  













Re: !Shriek! question

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Yes, there can be multiple View / Shrieks active at any time.  And yes, there are up to 32 unique !shrieks! supported, but since !SN! can come in from the Spotter Network and others may also be there, you might not actually have 32 available for your personal use.  But you should have enough available, at least until more people start using more unique ones and I need to increase the limit in APRSISCE/32!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/3/2017 2:08 PM, kq6di@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  










Re: !Shriek! question

Arnold Harding. - KQ6DI
 

Could aprsisce be using more than one view -> !shriek! at a time?

In other words, at an event some trackers might have !california! and some other trackers that were used at some previous event might already have !florida!.  It might be easier to have 2 allowed at any given time rather than giving new nicknames to ones already set, but not set to today's !shriek!.
It appears I can have up to 32 going at one time, but I can't test it today.

Thanks,
Arnold
KQ6DI


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: "aprsisce"
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] !Shriek! question

 

You are correct on all statements.  AFAIK !shrieks! are an APRSISCE/32-only construct at this point and are definitely not supported by any APRS-IS filter term.  I wouldn't want to imagine the per-packet overhead of scanning for arbitrary text in a case-insensitive manner for filters inside the APRS-IS servers.  Their filter implementations are lean, mean, fast, and as low overhead as they can be.

And any station that goes out of the range will be lost unless they are picked up by some other filter term like Buddy or Friend.

If I were doing net control for an event, I'd set my range to 2-3 times what I thought I'd need to see so that a) I'd see my stations if they got slightly out of range and b) I'd still get their packets until they're definitely beyond my range of interest.  That way they wouldn't be lurking at their last posit inside my field of interest just before leaving a very tight range specification.


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/28/2017 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] wrote:
You mention using !Shrieks! in nicknames. 

I was wondering what would happen if:

Condition:
A nickname !shriek! is used and the range filter is very small (say 10 mile radius for the event) If a stations roams outside that radius and is a non-RF station (phone or something), I am quite sure that station would be "lost" until it gets back inside your range filter.

I assume the same would be true for stations configured with the !Shriek! in their comment. 

Or to place it in the form of a question:  Is there an APRSIS comment filter that could capture shrieks for such a condition?

I couldn't find one, but thought I would ask.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] adding buddies for events [1 Attachment]

 
<Content trimmed>
Buddies are determined from your filter and augmented by stations that you're following, so the straight answer to that is "Yes", but your filter will get rather long and unwieldy if there's a lot of involved stations.

I strongly recommend using !shrieks! to identify stations participating in an event, even if those !shrieks! are defined in nicknames local to the observer.  To do this in advance, assuming you know the actual callsign-SSIDs that the participants will be using when they show up, simply configure a nickname for each of them and put your selected !shriek! in the Comment field, which doesn't have to be enabled to be used.

Screen / Labels / Nicknames / New NickName will get you the following dialog:

   

Simply fill in the Station ID, a label (can be the same as the station) and put a unique !shriek! (!MINE! in the example) in the comment field.  The Nickname and Label must be enabled, but the comment doesn't need to be.

Once all of your stations have nicknames, you can either do a View / None followed by View / Nicknamed or View / Shrieks / !MINE! (or whatever !shriek! you used).

If you put objects out for the event (also recommended), put the same !shriek! in their comment and everyone running APRSISCE/32 will be able to filter to see only those objects.  And if you add any objects to indicate incidents during the event, make sure to include the !shriek! on those as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




  









Re: Passcode for APRSISCE/32.

Bob Howard <bobby.o.howard@...>
 

Yes got it to load. Now I will attempt to connect a yard from 350 and receive local aprs from our ht's. Have gotten busy with other life problems for now.

Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone

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Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 7:45 AM
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Subject:Re: [aprsisce] Re: Passcode for APRSISCE/32.

 

Eric H,

I don't remember seeing any additional questions.  Did you get your system up and running?
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: Eric H ; APRSISCE Group
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 9:01 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Re: Passcode for APRSISCE/32.

 
These types of questions are best asked in the APRSISCE Yahoo group where there are lots of people with about as many different configurations, but in any case the first question will be to ask you to completely describe your configuration.
What callsign-SSID is your APRSISCE/32 running under?
What radio?
What TNC?
What connection to the TNC?  Native serial, USB-Serial, Bluetooth?
What port type in APRSISCE/32?
Does it show as OK in the upper left corner (or possibly top center)?
Do you see any * on the entries in the packet scroller?  * indicates the packet was received from an RF port.
If you double-click the narrow bar just to the right of the map, what does it say for the various station types?  For instance, my IGate shows:
Close Stations

29 via RF (6 Direct 18 Local)
IStoRF: 2 hops in 30 minutes
You really don't need to turn off your APRS-IS connection to see if you're getting anything from RF.  Just select View / None followed by View / RF / All and see if anything shows up on the map.
Oh, and the View / RF submenu entries should show the same counts as the Close Stations popup.
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 4/24/2017 3:22 PM, Eric H wrote:
Lynn:

Thanks for the passcode and for APRSIS32.  I am enjoying playing with packet radio via APRSIS32 and it has heightened my interest in ham radio greatly.

One issue I seem to be having is with RF only signals.  I live in the Raleigh, NC area where there seems to be a fair amount of packet traffic on 144.390.

3 days ago I turned off my internet connection just to see how APRSIS32 worked with just local RF traffic.  Nothing.  I see my station.  I can find my station on APRS.fi.  But, no other stations are being decoded even though I can see that packets are being received on my TNC.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Eric KM4RDE

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) <KJ4ERJ@...> wrote:
Passcode for KM4RDE is .

This password will work for any -SSID (http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/ ssids) you choose to use.  Because it is actually the APRS-IS network password, it should also work with other APRS-IS client software.
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 3/23/2017 11:56 AM, Eric H wrote:
I am looking to get on APRSISCE/32 using an SCS Tracker.  My Call sign is KM4RDE.

Kindest regards,

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Re: PSAT NO-84

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Well, Hide UnChecked is working, it's just... shall we say... obtuse?

What I do to reduce my list is to first let everything show up.  Then, for each satellite I do NOT want to see, I toggle once through the cycle of checkbox options and then stop the next time when it is completely de-selected.  It's kind of like spinning a combination lock before starting the combination.

Once I've done that with all of the visible satellites (the list is longer than the screen and I haven't added a scroll-bar yet), hide the unchecked ones again and wait a few hours.  Once you have more unwanted satellites showing up that are going to have a pass within an hour or two, you can repeat the above instructions until finally you have them all unchecked except for the one(s) you really want to see.

Or just add an o/ISS*/PSAT* filter term and live with once every two minute updates from the objects that SATSRV flies 24x7 (except when my server or Internet goes out).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/2/2017 3:51 PM, tmtlu3@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Hi Lynn,, I want to let you know that I followed your instructions and was successful adding NO-84 to the Satellite Details List. You weren't kidding when you warned me how many satellites would be added. There are so many now that the HIDE UnChecked option isn't working.Once again thank you for all your help.

                                                                                        Tom, N2UFM



Re: PSAT NO-84

Thomas Testa
 

Hi Lynn,, I want to let you know that I followed your instructions and was successful adding NO-84 to the Satellite Details List. You weren't kidding when you warned me how many satellites would be added. There are so many now that the HIDE UnChecked option isn't working.Once again thank you for all your help.

                                                                                        Tom, N2UFM


Re: PSAT NO-84 [2 Attachments]

Greg D
 

A little history regarding some of the satellites...  Some of them (I think 84 might be one) were launched on the same rocket as some classified military stuff, so the distribution of the Keps is a bit spotty (veils of secrecy, and all that).  I think the Amsat.org lists are complete; the others may not be.

Greg  KO6TH


'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:

 

The Satellite Details window should have a menu that would allow you to add additional TLE information.  Mine looks like:



And I'm using the following 3 URLs, but be careful, I've got LOTS of Satellites listed!



NO-84 is in the nasabare.txt from amsat, IIRC.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 5/1/2017 10:18 PM, tmtlu3@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Yes Lynn that's the list I am referring to

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Re: PSAT NO-84

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The Satellite Details window should have a menu that would allow you to add additional TLE information.  Mine looks like:



And I'm using the following 3 URLs, but be careful, I've got LOTS of Satellites listed!



NO-84 is in the nasabare.txt from amsat, IIRC.

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On 5/1/2017 10:18 PM, tmtlu3@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Yes Lynn that's the list I am referring to

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Re: PSAT NO-84

Thomas Testa
 

Yes Lynn that's the list I am referring to


Re: PSAT NO-84

Thomas Testa
 

Lololol..I am sorry Lynn I don't mean to confuse you. Yes I am referring to that list.


On May 1, 2017, at 8:32 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:

 

Ok, now you have me confused.  Exactly what are you referring to as the "Satellite Details list"?  Is that the one you get from typing Control-O (for Orbits)?


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On 5/1/2017 7:46 PM, tmtlu3@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Hi Lynn , I wasn't given an option on what TEL file to load. I set the filters to the recommendations in wikidot.com / Satellite operations:b/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS d/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS.  I have added 
 o/PSAT* to the end of the string as per instructions but still do no see PSAT on the Satellite Details list.

                                                                                            Thank You, Tom
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Re: PSAT NO-84

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Ok, now you have me confused.  Exactly what are you referring to as the "Satellite Details list"?  Is that the one you get from typing Control-O (for Orbits)?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 5/1/2017 7:46 PM, tmtlu3@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Hi Lynn , I wasn't given an option on what TEL file to load. I set the filters to the recommendations in wikidot.com / Satellite operations:b/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS d/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS.  I have added 
 o/PSAT* to the end of the string as per instructions but still do no see PSAT on the Satellite Details list.

                                                                                            Thank You, Tom
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Re: PSAT NO-84

Thomas Testa
 

Hi Lynn , I wasn't given an option on what TEL file to load. I set the filters to the recommendations in wikidot.com / Satellite operations:b/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS d/RS0ISS*/W3ADO-1/ARISS.  I have added 
 o/PSAT* to the end of the string as per instructions but still do no see PSAT on the Satellite Details list.

                                                                                            Thank You, Tom
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