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Re: Moving Objects

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The popup menu only contains the currently centered object.  It won't get longer.  You just have to center on the object you want to move and then right click where you want to move it to.

You could give a dedicated multi-track to the objects that move most frequently and keep them centered so that you can just move them when necessary, but there's only 16 MultiTracks maximum.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/21/2014 7:38 AM, Fredric Moses fred@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Lynn,   Just wondering how that (right click) will look with 40-50 objects...  Going to find out this saturday :)



--
Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498
fred@...


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:


1) Center on the object you want to move to get it selected.
2) Pan/Zoom the map to find the new location.
3) Right click the spot where you want it.
4) From the coordinates cascade at the bottom of the popup menu
5) Select Move HERE

This also works in a MultiTrack.  It does not need to be done in the main window.

There are other options in the coordinate menu that you might want to explore as well like Create Object HERE.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/21/2014 6:01 AM, fred@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Just wondering if there is an easier way to move objects?  On the old UI-View if you held CTRL you could drag and drop objects around...    The way I have found in IS32 is to move the center of my screen to where i want to put the object.. Click the object to bring up properties... then click move  a pop up asks if i want to move to center which I click yes.. Then click accept..   it's a few mouse clicks and key presses... when moving a good number of objects at a time it gets down right lost...    Is there a process I am missing in my searching of the docs?

--

Fred Moses - W8FSM

fred@...
Re: Moving Objects

Fred Moses
 

Thanks Lynn,   Just wondering how that (right click) will look with 40-50 objects...  Going to find out this saturday :)



--
Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498
fred@...


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:


1) Center on the object you want to move to get it selected.
2) Pan/Zoom the map to find the new location.
3) Right click the spot where you want it.
4) From the coordinates cascade at the bottom of the popup menu
5) Select Move HERE

This also works in a MultiTrack.  It does not need to be done in the main window.

There are other options in the coordinate menu that you might want to explore as well like Create Object HERE.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/21/2014 6:01 AM, fred@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Just wondering if there is an easier way to move objects?  On the old UI-View if you held CTRL you could drag and drop objects around...    The way I have found in IS32 is to move the center of my screen to where i want to put the object.. Click the object to bring up properties... then click move  a pop up asks if i want to move to center which I click yes.. Then click accept..   it's a few mouse clicks and key presses... when moving a good number of objects at a time it gets down right lost...    Is there a process I am missing in my searching of the docs?

--

Fred Moses - W8FSM

fred@...
Re: Moving Objects

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

1) Center on the object you want to move to get it selected.
2) Pan/Zoom the map to find the new location.
3) Right click the spot where you want it.
4) From the coordinates cascade at the bottom of the popup menu
5) Select Move HERE

This also works in a MultiTrack.  It does not need to be done in the main window.

There are other options in the coordinate menu that you might want to explore as well like Create Object HERE.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/21/2014 6:01 AM, fred@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Just wondering if there is an easier way to move objects?  On the old UI-View if you held CTRL you could drag and drop objects around...    The way I have found in IS32 is to move the center of my screen to where i want to put the object.. Click the object to bring up properties... then click move  a pop up asks if i want to move to center which I click yes.. Then click accept..   it's a few mouse clicks and key presses... when moving a good number of objects at a time it gets down right lost...    Is there a process I am missing in my searching of the docs?

--

Fred Moses - W8FSM

fred@...
Moving Objects

Fred Moses
 

Just wondering if there is an easier way to move objects?  On the old UI-View if you held CTRL you could drag and drop objects around...    The way I have found in IS32 is to move the center of my screen to where i want to put the object.. Click the object to bring up properties... then click move  a pop up asks if i want to move to center which I click yes.. Then click accept..   it's a few mouse clicks and key presses... when moving a good number of objects at a time it gets down right lost...    Is there a process I am missing in my searching of the docs?

--

Fred Moses - W8FSM

fred@...
Re: Another newbie help

Rob Giuliano
 

Listening on another radio will only help with the TT4 transmit.
There is no correlation between what you hear on another radio - OR THAT RADIO (beyond maybe distortion) - and what the TT4 decodes.
 
You need the terminal program and to use MONITOR to set the level of the TT4 to properly decode heard signals.  The procedure is available on byonics.com (quickstart guide).
 
The ABSOLUTE KEY to success is to find a audio set point on the volume to ensure you can always place it in the same spot, this is key for the settings.
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I did put the TNC in KISS mode then set the APRSIS32 for simply KISS. I deleted the old port and created a new one.

The audio when listening from a separate radio sounds clean. However, I'm probably not the best judge either.

Another newbie question. The need for a terminal emulator has been mentioned. What exactly do I need to get?

This week, I'm going to download and print off as much information as I can related to these questions. As one person mentioned I really do need to educate myself so I understand the terminology. I guess I approached this wrong from the beginning. Looking at the information that goes along with the TT4, they do make it seem plug and play. This is obviously not my case.

Let me study a little bit rather than waste everyone's time. I'm sure a person with IT experience or a teenager would have no trouble with what you folks are discussing. It's going to take me a little while.

Thanks,

Alan






On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Keith VE7GDH ve7gdh@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
Alan W4ANT wrote...

> Simply KISS on APRSIS32...

It has probably been said, but just in case...

With Simply KISS you have to put the TNC in KISS mode ahead
of time. The APRS client doesn't put it in KISS mode for you
or take it out of KISS mode when you exit the program. The
TNC must be locked in KISS mode all of the time.

The alternative is to have the APRS client place the TNC
in KISS mode and exit KISS mode when you exit the program.
If you will never be using the TNC for anything else, or
don't need it out of KISS mode for troubleshooting or
changing settings or whatever, Simply KISS might be easier,
but my preference is to exit KISS mode if the program using
the TNC ever closes.

Like Lynn said, use a terminal program to make sure the TNC
and audio levels are all set up and that the TNC is decoding
properly ahead of time. Setting the level with a volume
control will never be precise, but hopefully close enough
that it works most of the time. Listen on the APRS frequency
to make sure the beacons you are hearing are clean. If they
are noisy, under-deviated, over-deviated or have lots of
multi-path distortion, you will have trouble decoding. With
stations all over the place, some will be noisy or have
distortion. Some will have levels too high or too low. Hopefully
most are decodeable, but listen with your ears for a while
to see what the radio is hearing. You can't do anything about
other stations that don't have their deviation set correctly,
but you can adjust the audio level to the TNC.


--
73 Keith VE7GDH
UI-View32
http://www.ui-view.net/
Re: Startup view

Thomas O'Nan
 

Thanks,that did work.  


On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...> wrote:

 

Make sure you close the app from a restored, not maximized, window.  If the window is maximized when you close, it doesn't remember some of the settings (like View).


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/7/2014 1:18 AM, Tom O'Nan tron40@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I seem to have what I need working, but I can't seem to get the default View to startup in All mode.  I always defaults to just me.  

simple I'm sure, I just don't see it.  Anybody?


On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:37 AM, "kf6gpe@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...> wrote:

 

I hadn't seen this go by, but I admit I don't read every message.


I have a Mobilinkd Bluetooth TNC I got for use with my Android tablet; tonight on a whim I paired it with my PC and it worked flawlessly. If you've got a Windows tablet or small PC with Bluetooth, it's worth a look.


Nice job with the app and the support!


73 de KF6GPE
Re: Another newbie help

Keith VE7GDH
 

Alan W4ANT wrote...

The audio when listening from a separate radio sounds clean.
However, I'm probably not the best judge either.
It's OK to listen on another radio, but it's the audio from
the FT-2800 that counts... unless the other radio is using the
same antenna that the FT-2800 will be using. On the 2800, just
unplug the speaker cable and listen right on the FT-2800.

Hopefully the computer between your ears can rule out the
signals with very low or very high deviation and the (hopefully)
few that have multi-path distortion on them. With a bit of
luck, most of the other ones you hear are nice and clean.
Listening to packet tones is more meaningful after you
have seen which ones can be decoded and which cannot.

On the other hand, if everything you hear is weak, noisy,
distorted, or over or under deviated (nothing you can do about
those ones) you aren't going to be decoding very much. This
would be a worst-case scenario... hearing lots of signals,
but unable to decode any of them.

Another newbie question. The need for a terminal emulator
has been mentioned. What exactly do I need to get?
TeraTerm Pro is pretty good...

http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/ttssh2/releases/

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
UI-View32
www.ui-view.net
Re: Another newbie help

Alan Fitzsimmons <fitzsimmons.alan@...>
 

I did put the TNC in KISS mode then set the APRSIS32 for simply KISS. I deleted the old port and created a new one.

The audio when listening from a separate radio sounds clean. However, I'm probably not the best judge either.

Another newbie question. The need for a terminal emulator has been mentioned. What exactly do I need to get?

This week, I'm going to download and print off as much information as I can related to these questions. As one person mentioned I really do need to educate myself so I understand the terminology. I guess I approached this wrong from the beginning. Looking at the information that goes along with the TT4, they do make it seem plug and play. This is obviously not my case.

Let me study a little bit rather than waste everyone's time. I'm sure a person with IT experience or a teenager would have no trouble with what you folks are discussing. It's going to take me a little while.

Thanks,

Alan




On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Keith VE7GDH ve7gdh@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

Alan W4ANT wrote...

> Simply KISS on APRSIS32...

It has probably been said, but just in case...

With Simply KISS you have to put the TNC in KISS mode ahead
of time. The APRS client doesn't put it in KISS mode for you
or take it out of KISS mode when you exit the program. The
TNC must be locked in KISS mode all of the time.

The alternative is to have the APRS client place the TNC
in KISS mode and exit KISS mode when you exit the program.
If you will never be using the TNC for anything else, or
don't need it out of KISS mode for troubleshooting or
changing settings or whatever, Simply KISS might be easier,
but my preference is to exit KISS mode if the program using
the TNC ever closes.

Like Lynn said, use a terminal program to make sure the TNC
and audio levels are all set up and that the TNC is decoding
properly ahead of time. Setting the level with a volume
control will never be precise, but hopefully close enough
that it works most of the time. Listen on the APRS frequency
to make sure the beacons you are hearing are clean. If they
are noisy, under-deviated, over-deviated or have lots of
multi-path distortion, you will have trouble decoding. With
stations all over the place, some will be noisy or have
distortion. Some will have levels too high or too low. Hopefully
most are decodeable, but listen with your ears for a while
to see what the radio is hearing. You can't do anything about
other stations that don't have their deviation set correctly,
but you can adjust the audio level to the TNC.



--
73 Keith VE7GDH
UI-View32
www.ui-view.net
Re: Another newbie help

Keith VE7GDH
 

Alan W4ANT wrote...

Simply KISS on APRSIS32...
It has probably been said, but just in case...

With Simply KISS you have to put the TNC in KISS mode ahead
of time. The APRS client doesn't put it in KISS mode for you
or take it out of KISS mode when you exit the program. The
TNC must be locked in KISS mode all of the time.

The alternative is to have the APRS client place the TNC
in KISS mode and exit KISS mode when you exit the program.
If you will never be using the TNC for anything else, or
don't need it out of KISS mode for troubleshooting or
changing settings or whatever, Simply KISS might be easier,
but my preference is to exit KISS mode if the program using
the TNC ever closes.

Like Lynn said, use a terminal program to make sure the TNC
and audio levels are all set up and that the TNC is decoding
properly ahead of time. Setting the level with a volume
control will never be precise, but hopefully close enough
that it works most of the time. Listen on the APRS frequency
to make sure the beacons you are hearing are clean. If they
are noisy, under-deviated, over-deviated or have lots of
multi-path distortion, you will have trouble decoding. With
stations all over the place, some will be noisy or have
distortion. Some will have levels too high or too low. Hopefully
most are decodeable, but listen with your ears for a while
to see what the radio is hearing. You can't do anything about
other stations that don't have their deviation set correctly,
but you can adjust the audio level to the TNC.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
UI-View32
www.ui-view.net
Re: Another newbie help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

You can't change the type of an existing port without editing the XML file.

The easiest way to do it would be to disable the port, then delete it, then create a new one of the Simply(KISS) type.  You have to close the port configuration dialog after disabling to get the Delete button to enable.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 8/18/2014 10:02 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
One more thing before I go. Can you tell me what tab or where to find the change from KISS to Simply KISS on APRSIS32? I've clicked around about everywhere and can't find where I change that.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:41 AM, James Ewen ve6srv@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons
fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...>
wrote:



> Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham
> in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about
> as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit
> this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

Ham radio is a technical hobby. Playing with APRS adds in the
necessity to understand how computers work.

Like trying to learn to ride a motorcycle by yourself, it would be
helpful to have ridden a bicycle first. Then you'll need to read up on
where the controls are, and what they do. You'll probably end up
dumping the motorbike on the ground a couple times too. But to expect
to get on a motorbike and ride off into the sunset on the first try is
expecting a bit much.

In trying to set up APRS, it is best if you know what a computer is,
and are familiar with the terms being used. You also need to be
familiar with radios, and TNCs (TT4), and know what all the terms are
that are associated with those devices.

It's not rocket science, and if you break things down into bite sized
chunks, just about anyone can get it up and operational.

Right now you have about 3 or 4 things that need to be looked at and
corrected. You are poking at one thing and then expecting it to work
with that single change.

Follow Lynn's direction, get the TT4 connected to the radio properly,
and get it working. That's the first step. You're going to have to
learn that "Star Trek" lingo to be able to get this stuff working
though.

If you invest the time learning, and educating yourself, you'll get it
set up an running. Having an elmer in the room however makes it
easier, just like having your Dad hanging onto your bicycle can help
keep you from falling over.

Doing this by yourself with your Dad being replaced by people
answering your questions via email can take a little longer, and you
might get a few ouchies along the way.

If you stick with it, and have a supply of band-aids, we can get you
up and running.

--
James
VE6SRV
Re: Another newbie help

Alan Fitzsimmons <fitzsimmons.alan@...>
 

One more thing before I go. Can you tell me what tab or where to find the change from KISS to Simply KISS on APRSIS32? I've clicked around about everywhere and can't find where I change that.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:41 AM, James Ewen ve6srv@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons
fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...>
wrote:



> Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham
> in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about
> as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit
> this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

Ham radio is a technical hobby. Playing with APRS adds in the
necessity to understand how computers work.

Like trying to learn to ride a motorcycle by yourself, it would be
helpful to have ridden a bicycle first. Then you'll need to read up on
where the controls are, and what they do. You'll probably end up
dumping the motorbike on the ground a couple times too. But to expect
to get on a motorbike and ride off into the sunset on the first try is
expecting a bit much.

In trying to set up APRS, it is best if you know what a computer is,
and are familiar with the terms being used. You also need to be
familiar with radios, and TNCs (TT4), and know what all the terms are
that are associated with those devices.

It's not rocket science, and if you break things down into bite sized
chunks, just about anyone can get it up and operational.

Right now you have about 3 or 4 things that need to be looked at and
corrected. You are poking at one thing and then expecting it to work
with that single change.

Follow Lynn's direction, get the TT4 connected to the radio properly,
and get it working. That's the first step. You're going to have to
learn that "Star Trek" lingo to be able to get this stuff working
though.

If you invest the time learning, and educating yourself, you'll get it
set up an running. Having an elmer in the room however makes it
easier, just like having your Dad hanging onto your bicycle can help
keep you from falling over.

Doing this by yourself with your Dad being replaced by people
answering your questions via email can take a little longer, and you
might get a few ouchies along the way.

If you stick with it, and have a supply of band-aids, we can get you
up and running.

--
James
VE6SRV
Re: Another newbie help

Alan Fitzsimmons <fitzsimmons.alan@...>
 

All very good points James, thanks! I was out of the hobby raising children etc. during the come to digital age and just missed too many things along the way. I'm an HF contester, just trying to dip my toe in the water here. My desire is to have something in this arena running in the corner, doing it's thing and everybody will be happy.

I'll focus my attention this week reading as much as I can and we'll see if we can get the electrons to play well with each other. 

Thanks for the help, I'll be back on Friday. Right now, I need to get to work.

73,

Alan


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:41 AM, James Ewen ve6srv@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons
fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...>
wrote:



> Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham
> in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about
> as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit
> this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

Ham radio is a technical hobby. Playing with APRS adds in the
necessity to understand how computers work.

Like trying to learn to ride a motorcycle by yourself, it would be
helpful to have ridden a bicycle first. Then you'll need to read up on
where the controls are, and what they do. You'll probably end up
dumping the motorbike on the ground a couple times too. But to expect
to get on a motorbike and ride off into the sunset on the first try is
expecting a bit much.

In trying to set up APRS, it is best if you know what a computer is,
and are familiar with the terms being used. You also need to be
familiar with radios, and TNCs (TT4), and know what all the terms are
that are associated with those devices.

It's not rocket science, and if you break things down into bite sized
chunks, just about anyone can get it up and operational.

Right now you have about 3 or 4 things that need to be looked at and
corrected. You are poking at one thing and then expecting it to work
with that single change.

Follow Lynn's direction, get the TT4 connected to the radio properly,
and get it working. That's the first step. You're going to have to
learn that "Star Trek" lingo to be able to get this stuff working
though.

If you invest the time learning, and educating yourself, you'll get it
set up an running. Having an elmer in the room however makes it
easier, just like having your Dad hanging onto your bicycle can help
keep you from falling over.

Doing this by yourself with your Dad being replaced by people
answering your questions via email can take a little longer, and you
might get a few ouchies along the way.

If you stick with it, and have a supply of band-aids, we can get you
up and running.

--
James
VE6SRV
Re: Another newbie help

James Ewen
 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons
fitzsimmons.alan@gmail.com [aprsisce] <aprsisce@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham
in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about
as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit
this morning to see if I can get something to happen.
Ham radio is a technical hobby. Playing with APRS adds in the
necessity to understand how computers work.

Like trying to learn to ride a motorcycle by yourself, it would be
helpful to have ridden a bicycle first. Then you'll need to read up on
where the controls are, and what they do. You'll probably end up
dumping the motorbike on the ground a couple times too. But to expect
to get on a motorbike and ride off into the sunset on the first try is
expecting a bit much.

In trying to set up APRS, it is best if you know what a computer is,
and are familiar with the terms being used. You also need to be
familiar with radios, and TNCs (TT4), and know what all the terms are
that are associated with those devices.

It's not rocket science, and if you break things down into bite sized
chunks, just about anyone can get it up and operational.

Right now you have about 3 or 4 things that need to be looked at and
corrected. You are poking at one thing and then expecting it to work
with that single change.

Follow Lynn's direction, get the TT4 connected to the radio properly,
and get it working. That's the first step. You're going to have to
learn that "Star Trek" lingo to be able to get this stuff working
though.

If you invest the time learning, and educating yourself, you'll get it
set up an running. Having an elmer in the room however makes it
easier, just like having your Dad hanging onto your bicycle can help
keep you from falling over.

Doing this by yourself with your Dad being replaced by people
answering your questions via email can take a little longer, and you
might get a few ouchies along the way.

If you stick with it, and have a supply of band-aids, we can get you
up and running.

--
James
VE6SRV
Re: Another newbie help

lance aue
 

To: Alan W4ANT  and the group:

[SNIP]
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).

APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
[/SNIP]

Also, if using the graphic interface the following should be chcked:

on the ports tab:
PKTOCOM
PKTICOM

If using the on-board diagnostics set both these commands to TRUE.

When using a terminal program the Received packet look like gibberish as it is in kiss mode.
If you are not getting the gibberish, you may need to change the RXA level,
See the firmware manual for the procedure.

If unsure about that, e-mail me directly, and I will be glad to help you.

Alan W4ANT


Very 73,
Lance / KA2EJD
[AR]

Re: Another newbie help

Alan Fitzsimmons <fitzsimmons.alan@...>
 

The 2800 does not have a data port, I've got the TT4 connected to the external speaker.

I'm located in St. George, SC out in the country. What you're seeing is the ping from the ISP which is Verizon Wireless via my iPhone connection. The internet connection is not "always on" or I would have to mortgage the house. We don't have an ISP out here and Verizon is my only option. However, can't leave the internet connection for APRSIS32 on all the time.

I don't really have time to be diagnosing the audio levels at this time. I've got to head out for the week. Evidently, it's not decoding the packets or I would be seeing something showing up on the map. I know there are WX stations and digi's in the Charleston area. I'll conclude I have an audio level problem.

Thanks for your help guys, I'll dig into this more this weekend.

73
Alan W4ANT






On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 


On 8/18/2014 8:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Is the Simply Kiss as opposed to Kiss a TT4 setting or an APRSIS32 setting? I recognize what you are saying from some of the reading and have read that different TNC's behave differently with opposing radios. On the TT4 Alpha config, there is no option for simply kiss only kiss. Where do I find this on APRSIS32?

Simply(KISS) is a port type in APRSIS32, not the TT4.  If you bring up APRSIS32 and leave it up, I can do some remote diagnosing via APRS messages.  At least, I assume we're discussing W4ANT-1?



Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

That is true.  The easiest way is to have a knowledgeable elmer helping get things set and explaining things along the way.  The nearest APRSIS32 user to you in the past 24 hours is W0AVM-1 63 miles east of W4ANT-1.



I don't know whether the audio from the 2800 is fixed or not. I'm listening to it on a hand held and it seems to be at a reasonable level. I'm hearing the 2800 transmit after it receives something, holds it, and transmits. At least I think that's what it's doing.

Are you connected to a "data" port in the back of the radio or the microphone and headset ports of the radio?  I don't remember if the 2800 has a data port or not.




Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32










On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

The lights on the TT4 can assist in knowing if it is decoding packets.  The yellow light should go on steady while a good packet burst is being decoded.  It will flash a bit at the end of the packet indicating its configured delay before allowing itself to transmit if there's a packet waiting to go out.

If your yellow light never turns on, or just blinks and flashes, it's not decoding and you need to find instructions on doing the MONitor/RXAMP tuning in the TT4.



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/18/2014 8:03 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Robert, 

I didn't say I was decoding packets, I just meant the radio was receiving on 144.39 and packets are there. Whether I'm decoding them I have no idea.

I changed the settings to match the 19200 speed. I had everything set for 4800. I read that somewhere I'm sure that 4800 was what it was supposed to be.

I still have nothing. I'l be back Friday.

Thanks,

Alan W4ANT


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
What settings are you using on the TT4?
 
How do you know you are decoding packets?
  Did you see decoded packets in a terminal?
 
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).
 
APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
 
These are the keys, and the TT4 must be in KISS for APRSIS32 to match it.
 
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I apologize up front. I'm just trying to get this all set up.
FT-2800M from my home QTH
TinyTrak 4
PC running XP
I've got APRSIS32 running and managed to get my location set and centered. My radio is transmitting and receiving on 144.39 so I assume I have the port configured correctly.
Nothing is showing up on the map. I'm 25 miles from Charleston, SC where there is a good bit of activity but map shows none.
I have internet access disabled. I'm out in the country and my only source for an internet connection is iPhone 5 via Verizon Wireless who charges the proverbial arm and leg for data so I CAN NOT run with an always on internet connection without mortgaging the house.
I would expect that the data I'm receiving on 2 meters would populate something on the map and at least show where the packets are coming from and where they are going to. 
But again, nothing on the map. I've checked and unchecked about every box I can think of and still nothing. I'm sure I'm missing the obvious. However, I'm not an advanced computer user and it seems that these programs and/or applications expect a certain level of expertise from the user. 
At the top of the screen it says FT-2800 ( which is what I called the port ) followed by either CmdOpen or Delay.
Any help for the helpless?
TU,
Alan W4ANT
Re: Another newbie help

Keith VE7GDH
 

Lynn KJ4ERJ wrote…

you need to lock the audio level feeding the TT4 from the radio unless the 2800 has a "data" port providing fixed-level audio to the TNC…
The FT-2800 is an OK voice radio, but it does not have a data port. The last mono-band radio that Yaesu made with a data port was the FT-1500. Many dual band radios still have a data port… e.g. FT-7900 or TM-V71A.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
UI-View32
www.ui-view.net
Re: Another newbie help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 


On 8/18/2014 8:27 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Is the Simply Kiss as opposed to Kiss a TT4 setting or an APRSIS32 setting? I recognize what you are saying from some of the reading and have read that different TNC's behave differently with opposing radios. On the TT4 Alpha config, there is no option for simply kiss only kiss. Where do I find this on APRSIS32?

Simply(KISS) is a port type in APRSIS32, not the TT4.  If you bring up APRSIS32 and leave it up, I can do some remote diagnosing via APRS messages.  At least, I assume we're discussing W4ANT-1?


Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

That is true.  The easiest way is to have a knowledgeable elmer helping get things set and explaining things along the way.  The nearest APRSIS32 user to you in the past 24 hours is W0AVM-1 63 miles east of W4ANT-1.


I don't know whether the audio from the 2800 is fixed or not. I'm listening to it on a hand held and it seems to be at a reasonable level. I'm hearing the 2800 transmit after it receives something, holds it, and transmits. At least I think that's what it's doing.

Are you connected to a "data" port in the back of the radio or the microphone and headset ports of the radio?  I don't remember if the 2800 has a data port or not.



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32










On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

The lights on the TT4 can assist in knowing if it is decoding packets.  The yellow light should go on steady while a good packet burst is being decoded.  It will flash a bit at the end of the packet indicating its configured delay before allowing itself to transmit if there's a packet waiting to go out.

If your yellow light never turns on, or just blinks and flashes, it's not decoding and you need to find instructions on doing the MONitor/RXAMP tuning in the TT4.



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/18/2014 8:03 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Robert, 

I didn't say I was decoding packets, I just meant the radio was receiving on 144.39 and packets are there. Whether I'm decoding them I have no idea.

I changed the settings to match the 19200 speed. I had everything set for 4800. I read that somewhere I'm sure that 4800 was what it was supposed to be.

I still have nothing. I'l be back Friday.

Thanks,

Alan W4ANT


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
What settings are you using on the TT4?
 
How do you know you are decoding packets?
  Did you see decoded packets in a terminal?
 
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).
 
APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
 
These are the keys, and the TT4 must be in KISS for APRSIS32 to match it.
 
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I apologize up front. I'm just trying to get this all set up.
FT-2800M from my home QTH
TinyTrak 4
PC running XP
I've got APRSIS32 running and managed to get my location set and centered. My radio is transmitting and receiving on 144.39 so I assume I have the port configured correctly.
Nothing is showing up on the map. I'm 25 miles from Charleston, SC where there is a good bit of activity but map shows none.
I have internet access disabled. I'm out in the country and my only source for an internet connection is iPhone 5 via Verizon Wireless who charges the proverbial arm and leg for data so I CAN NOT run with an always on internet connection without mortgaging the house.
I would expect that the data I'm receiving on 2 meters would populate something on the map and at least show where the packets are coming from and where they are going to. 
But again, nothing on the map. I've checked and unchecked about every box I can think of and still nothing. I'm sure I'm missing the obvious. However, I'm not an advanced computer user and it seems that these programs and/or applications expect a certain level of expertise from the user. 
At the top of the screen it says FT-2800 ( which is what I called the port ) followed by either CmdOpen or Delay.
Any help for the helpless?
TU,
Alan W4ANT
Re: Another newbie help

John KC4LZN
 

I will reiterate what Lynn said. When I was in the process of setting up my station with a TT4 in KISS Mode, I found out my nail in the coffin was not properly adjusting the RX Amp. Simple KISS Mode was a must as well. Each radio is different and there is no "generic" setting for the RX Amp. It all depends on your audio from the radio and THEN adjust the RX Amp to receive and decode that data. It should display between 50 and 80 for a proper setting. I put on a set of head phones and adjusted the volume to an acceptable level (ended up being on about 2 scale 1 to 10) and then adjusted the RX Amp in the monitor mode.

The other focus should be on your CALIBRATE command. Both of these items can be seen in your quick start guide for the TT4. 

73 John


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

The lights on the TT4 can assist in knowing if it is decoding packets.  The yellow light should go on steady while a good packet burst is being decoded.  It will flash a bit at the end of the packet indicating its configured delay before allowing itself to transmit if there's a packet waiting to go out.

If your yellow light never turns on, or just blinks and flashes, it's not decoding and you need to find instructions on doing the MONitor/RXAMP tuning in the TT4.



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/18/2014 8:03 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Robert, 

I didn't say I was decoding packets, I just meant the radio was receiving on 144.39 and packets are there. Whether I'm decoding them I have no idea.

I changed the settings to match the 19200 speed. I had everything set for 4800. I read that somewhere I'm sure that 4800 was what it was supposed to be.

I still have nothing. I'l be back Friday.

Thanks,

Alan W4ANT


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
What settings are you using on the TT4?
 
How do you know you are decoding packets?
  Did you see decoded packets in a terminal?
 
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).
 
APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
 
These are the keys, and the TT4 must be in KISS for APRSIS32 to match it.
 
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I apologize up front. I'm just trying to get this all set up.
FT-2800M from my home QTH
TinyTrak 4
PC running XP
I've got APRSIS32 running and managed to get my location set and centered. My radio is transmitting and receiving on 144.39 so I assume I have the port configured correctly.
Nothing is showing up on the map. I'm 25 miles from Charleston, SC where there is a good bit of activity but map shows none.
I have internet access disabled. I'm out in the country and my only source for an internet connection is iPhone 5 via Verizon Wireless who charges the proverbial arm and leg for data so I CAN NOT run with an always on internet connection without mortgaging the house.
I would expect that the data I'm receiving on 2 meters would populate something on the map and at least show where the packets are coming from and where they are going to. 
But again, nothing on the map. I've checked and unchecked about every box I can think of and still nothing. I'm sure I'm missing the obvious. However, I'm not an advanced computer user and it seems that these programs and/or applications expect a certain level of expertise from the user. 
At the top of the screen it says FT-2800 ( which is what I called the port ) followed by either CmdOpen or Delay.
Any help for the helpless?
TU,
Alan W4ANT
Re: Another newbie help

Alan Fitzsimmons <fitzsimmons.alan@...>
 

According to what you just said about the lights. Everything appears to be in order there. It's steady yellow, then flashing, then the red light comes on and it transmits.

I've changed the baud rates to 19200

I'll check the other settings you mentioned and will try to diagnose. As I said in my original post, I'm not what you would call an advanced computer user. When it comes to computers, I'm very much an appliance operator. The mention and use of a "terminal emulator" is Star Trek to me. I would have no clue on where to find that.

Is the Simply Kiss as opposed to Kiss a TT4 setting or an APRSIS32 setting? I recognize what you are saying from some of the reading and have read that different TNC's behave differently with opposing radios. On the TT4 Alpha config, there is no option for simply kiss only kiss. Where do I find this on APRSIS32?

Another experienced person in this area told me that without an experienced ham in the room with you setting it up, it's difficult at best. I tend to agree. This is about as close as we can get so I appreciate it. I'll maybe hang around here a little bit this morning to see if I can get something to happen.

I don't know whether the audio from the 2800 is fixed or not. I'm listening to it on a hand held and it seems to be at a reasonable level. I'm hearing the 2800 transmit after it receives something, holds it, and transmits. At least I think that's what it's doing.








On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

The lights on the TT4 can assist in knowing if it is decoding packets.  The yellow light should go on steady while a good packet burst is being decoded.  It will flash a bit at the end of the packet indicating its configured delay before allowing itself to transmit if there's a packet waiting to go out.

If your yellow light never turns on, or just blinks and flashes, it's not decoding and you need to find instructions on doing the MONitor/RXAMP tuning in the TT4.



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/18/2014 8:03 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Robert, 

I didn't say I was decoding packets, I just meant the radio was receiving on 144.39 and packets are there. Whether I'm decoding them I have no idea.

I changed the settings to match the 19200 speed. I had everything set for 4800. I read that somewhere I'm sure that 4800 was what it was supposed to be.

I still have nothing. I'l be back Friday.

Thanks,

Alan W4ANT


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
What settings are you using on the TT4?
 
How do you know you are decoding packets?
  Did you see decoded packets in a terminal?
 
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).
 
APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
 
These are the keys, and the TT4 must be in KISS for APRSIS32 to match it.
 
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I apologize up front. I'm just trying to get this all set up.
FT-2800M from my home QTH
TinyTrak 4
PC running XP
I've got APRSIS32 running and managed to get my location set and centered. My radio is transmitting and receiving on 144.39 so I assume I have the port configured correctly.
Nothing is showing up on the map. I'm 25 miles from Charleston, SC where there is a good bit of activity but map shows none.
I have internet access disabled. I'm out in the country and my only source for an internet connection is iPhone 5 via Verizon Wireless who charges the proverbial arm and leg for data so I CAN NOT run with an always on internet connection without mortgaging the house.
I would expect that the data I'm receiving on 2 meters would populate something on the map and at least show where the packets are coming from and where they are going to. 
But again, nothing on the map. I've checked and unchecked about every box I can think of and still nothing. I'm sure I'm missing the obvious. However, I'm not an advanced computer user and it seems that these programs and/or applications expect a certain level of expertise from the user. 
At the top of the screen it says FT-2800 ( which is what I called the port ) followed by either CmdOpen or Delay.
Any help for the helpless?
TU,
Alan W4ANT
Re: Another newbie help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The lights on the TT4 can assist in knowing if it is decoding packets.  The yellow light should go on steady while a good packet burst is being decoded.  It will flash a bit at the end of the packet indicating its configured delay before allowing itself to transmit if there's a packet waiting to go out.

If your yellow light never turns on, or just blinks and flashes, it's not decoding and you need to find instructions on doing the MONitor/RXAMP tuning in the TT4.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 8/18/2014 8:03 AM, Alan Fitzsimmons fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Thanks Robert, 

I didn't say I was decoding packets, I just meant the radio was receiving on 144.39 and packets are there. Whether I'm decoding them I have no idea.

I changed the settings to match the 19200 speed. I had everything set for 4800. I read that somewhere I'm sure that 4800 was what it was supposed to be.

I still have nothing. I'l be back Friday.

Thanks,

Alan W4ANT


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Rob Giuliano kb8rco@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
What settings are you using on the TT4?
 
How do you know you are decoding packets?
  Did you see decoded packets in a terminal?
 
TT4 Settings:
  ABAUD:    19200
  AMODE:    KISS
  Ensure the TT4 sends packets to the computer (don't remember the exact setting).
 
APRSIS32:
  Port:  Simple(KISS)
  port setting same as TT4: 19200
 
These are the keys, and the TT4 must be in KISS for APRSIS32 to match it.
 
 
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


---------------------------------------------

From: "fitzsimmons.alan@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Another newbie help

 
I apologize up front. I'm just trying to get this all set up.
FT-2800M from my home QTH
TinyTrak 4
PC running XP
I've got APRSIS32 running and managed to get my location set and centered. My radio is transmitting and receiving on 144.39 so I assume I have the port configured correctly.
Nothing is showing up on the map. I'm 25 miles from Charleston, SC where there is a good bit of activity but map shows none.
I have internet access disabled. I'm out in the country and my only source for an internet connection is iPhone 5 via Verizon Wireless who charges the proverbial arm and leg for data so I CAN NOT run with an always on internet connection without mortgaging the house.
I would expect that the data I'm receiving on 2 meters would populate something on the map and at least show where the packets are coming from and where they are going to. 
But again, nothing on the map. I've checked and unchecked about every box I can think of and still nothing. I'm sure I'm missing the obvious. However, I'm not an advanced computer user and it seems that these programs and/or applications expect a certain level of expertise from the user. 
At the top of the screen it says FT-2800 ( which is what I called the port ) followed by either CmdOpen or Delay.
Any help for the helpless?
TU,
Alan W4ANT
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