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Re: Help with Win 7 instalation

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

This is not the group to discuss the (de)merits of uSoft's operating system design decision.  Greg was just stating the facts as they relate to APRSISCE/32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/25/2014 9:26 PM, Tony VE6MVP wrote:
At 06:00 PM 2014-01-25, Greg Depew wrote:

>Have you unzipped the file to somewhere other than under program
>files?  Win 7/8 doesn't like stuff installed under there. 

That last sentence is wrong.   Windows 7 and 8 quite like software being installed in Program Files. That is the proper location for software.  The problem is that much amateur radio software does not like being installed there because the authors insist on putting all the settings files in the same folder as the software or subfolders.  This is now DOS software behaved by default.   This is also directly against the Microsoft standards which have been present since Windows NT 4.0 if not earlier.  The various settings files and downloadable files such as the mapping tiles should be placed in the users Applications Data folder.   Now what happened in Windows 7 is that Microsoft has been tightening up  how things work.

Tony  (software programmer)


Re: Help with Win 7 instalation

Tony VE6MVP
 

At 06:00 PM 2014-01-25, Greg Depew wrote:

>Have you unzipped the file to somewhere other than under program
>files?  Win 7/8 doesn't like stuff installed under there. 

That last sentence is wrong.   Windows 7 and 8 quite like software being installed in Program Files. That is the proper location for software.  The problem is that much amateur radio software does not like being installed there because the authors insist on putting all the settings files in the same folder as the software or subfolders.  This is now DOS software behaved by default.   This is also directly against the Microsoft standards which have been present since Windows NT 4.0 if not earlier.  The various settings files and downloadable files such as the mapping tiles should be placed in the users Applications Data folder.   Now what happened in Windows 7 is that Microsoft has been tightening up  how things work.

Tony  (software programmer)


Re: Help with Win 7 instalation

sbd sbd
 

Maybe an update to the wiki is in order. Put the file outside the program
files folder. And Make sure you uncompressed the file.
As Greg says
The windows protection system is more of a pain than a help.
It does not stop viri but makes it a pain for users installing non approved
by Microsoft developers (which costs)

Steve Daniels
Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM
Torbay Freecycle Owner
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle
APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of Greg Depew
Sent: 26 January 2014 01:00
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Help with Win 7 instalation

Have you unzipped the file to somewhere other than under program files? Win
7/8 doesn't like stuff installed under there. And if you try to run it from
the zip file it will not work correctly.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: ssgeroh@...
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:56:14
To: <aprsisce@...>
Subject: [aprsisce] Help with Win 7 instalation

 




I installed aprisce on my Dell NetBook with Win 7 but when I try to run it,
the little screen where you put in your callsign, etc comes up. When I press
the button to run all it does is flash and freeze the screen. I have to use
ctrl-alt-delete to do anything else.
 
Any ideas?
 
Somebody told me to use ubungtu but with a little ADD and after having a
stroke I don't do well programing & stuff reguiring a lot of short-term
memory. Being a senior doesing help much either even tho i've done
electronics all my adult life. Oh yeah, add in tremors which cause me to add
extra letters.
 
So basically, i'm asking for a windows based solution. I was going to use my
Vista laptop which it runs great on in the car until the backlight went out.
 
73,
John N4SME
 



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Re: Help with Win 7 instalation

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Watch the introductory video and follow the instructions at:

http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/initial-startup

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/25/2014 8:00 PM, Greg Depew wrote:
Have you unzipped the file to somewhere other than under program files? Win 7/8 doesn't like stuff installed under there. And if you try to run it from the zip file it will not work correctly.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: ssgeroh@...
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:56:14
To: <aprsisce@...>
Subject: [aprsisce] Help with Win 7 instalation


I installed aprisce on my Dell NetBook with Win 7 but when I try to run it, the little screen where you put in your callsign, etc comes up. When I press the button to run all it does is flash and freeze the screen. I have to use ctrl-alt-delete to do anything else.
Any ideas?
Somebody told me to use ubungtu but with a little ADD and after having a stroke I don't do well programing & stuff reguiring a lot of short-term memory. Being a senior doesing help much either even tho i've done electronics all my adult life. Oh yeah, add in tremors which cause me to add extra letters.
So basically, i'm asking for a windows based solution. I was going to use my Vista laptop which it runs great on in the car until the backlight went out.
73,
John N4SME



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Re: Need Help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Steve's got it.  Check Configure / Ports / 's checkboxes.

Also, for the first set of retries, APRSISCE/32 will only send out via RF if the message destination station has been recently heard on RF.  The second set of retries goes out all suitably-enabled ports.

You can check the Transmit and Port(YourPortName) trace logs (enable them first) to see what's actually going out where.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 1/25/2014 7:41 PM, Steve Daniels wrote:

Am thinking maybe on RF port setup. Beacon ticked but not messages? But I must admit have not tested what actually happens, in that scenario

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of James Ewen
Sent: 26 January 2014 00:27
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Need Help

 

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:32 PM, wrote:

> Thanks for the reply James.......The video you sent me did help....I believe
> my main problem is the fact I need a passcode, which I did send a e-mail for.

As Greg said, the APRS-IS passcode is only to validate your packets
when sent to the APRS-IS servers. It has no bearing on RF
transmissions. It is assumed that you are legally allowed on the air
when you put a station on the air.

> The W8HHF station is our local repeater for the APRS, D-Star etc.

That really has no bearing on getting your station operational, other
than you might hear a digipeat coming back from the digipeater when
you send packets.

> My home station and callsign is KD8BIN.

Always a very important piece of information when asking for help. By
providing the EXACT CALLSIGN-SSID, it allows the rest of us to look
for any evidence of how your specific station may or may not be
operating.

> So, after i get the passcode, I will see if I have luck sending messages....

You might, but that would be because the message is going out to the
APRS-IS, and then gets gated back to RF and delivered to the desired
station.

There's something else going on here... It looks like your station is
on the air, and is sending packets out via RF.

I just sent your station a query, and got a response back. I sent a
message and got an ACK back, but both via APRS-IS only.

In the middle of a chat with you on APRSISCE/32 currently, but the RF
ONLY section doesn't seem to be working.

Lynn, what can be disabled to make RF messaging stop working, yet
position reports still go out over RF?

--
James
VE6SRV



Re: Need Help

James Ewen
 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Steve Daniels
<steve@...> wrote:

Am thinking maybe on RF port setup. Beacon ticked but not messages?
That was it... I forget about those switches!

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: Help with Win 7 instalation

Greg Depew
 

Have you unzipped the file to somewhere other than under program files? Win 7/8 doesn't like stuff installed under there. And if you try to run it from the zip file it will not work correctly.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: ssgeroh@...
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:56:14
To: <aprsisce@...>
Subject: [aprsisce] Help with Win 7 instalation

 




I installed aprisce on my Dell NetBook with Win 7 but when I try to run it, the little screen where you put in your callsign, etc comes up. When I press the button to run all it does is flash and freeze the screen. I have to use ctrl-alt-delete to do anything else.
 
Any ideas?
 
Somebody told me to use ubungtu but with a little ADD and after having a stroke I don't do well programing & stuff reguiring a lot of short-term memory. Being a senior doesing help much either even tho i've done electronics all my adult life. Oh yeah, add in tremors which cause me to add extra letters.
 
So basically, i'm asking for a windows based solution. I was going to use my Vista laptop which it runs great on in the car until the backlight went out.
 
73,
John N4SME


Help with Win 7 instalation

John Eroh
 

I installed aprisce on my Dell NetBook with Win 7 but when I try to run it, the little screen where you put in your callsign, etc comes up. When I press the button to run all it does is flash and freeze the screen. I have to use ctrl-alt-delete to do anything else.

 

Any ideas?

 

Somebody told me to use ubungtu but with a little ADD and after having a stroke I don't do well programing & stuff reguiring a lot of short-term memory. Being a senior doesing help much either even tho i've done electronics all my adult life. Oh yeah, add in tremors which cause me to add extra letters.

 

So basically, i'm asking for a windows based solution. I was going to use my Vista laptop which it runs great on in the car until the backlight went out.

 

73,

John N4SME

 


Re: Need Help

sbd sbd
 

Am thinking maybe on RF port setup. Beacon ticked but not messages? But I must admit have not tested what actually happens, in that scenario

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of James Ewen
Sent: 26 January 2014 00:27
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Need Help

 

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:32 PM, wrote:

> Thanks for the reply James.......The video you sent me did help....I believe
> my main problem is the fact I need a passcode, which I did send a e-mail for.

As Greg said, the APRS-IS passcode is only to validate your packets
when sent to the APRS-IS servers. It has no bearing on RF
transmissions. It is assumed that you are legally allowed on the air
when you put a station on the air.

> The W8HHF station is our local repeater for the APRS, D-Star etc.

That really has no bearing on getting your station operational, other
than you might hear a digipeat coming back from the digipeater when
you send packets.

> My home station and callsign is KD8BIN.

Always a very important piece of information when asking for help. By
providing the EXACT CALLSIGN-SSID, it allows the rest of us to look
for any evidence of how your specific station may or may not be
operating.

> So, after i get the passcode, I will see if I have luck sending messages....

You might, but that would be because the message is going out to the
APRS-IS, and then gets gated back to RF and delivered to the desired
station.

There's something else going on here... It looks like your station is
on the air, and is sending packets out via RF.

I just sent your station a query, and got a response back. I sent a
message and got an ACK back, but both via APRS-IS only.

In the middle of a chat with you on APRSISCE/32 currently, but the RF
ONLY section doesn't seem to be working.

Lynn, what can be disabled to make RF messaging stop working, yet
position reports still go out over RF?

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: Need Help

James Ewen
 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:32 PM, <johndvorack@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reply James.......The video you sent me did help....I believe
my main problem is the fact I need a passcode, which I did send a e-mail for.
As Greg said, the APRS-IS passcode is only to validate your packets
when sent to the APRS-IS servers. It has no bearing on RF
transmissions. It is assumed that you are legally allowed on the air
when you put a station on the air.

The W8HHF station is our local repeater for the APRS, D-Star etc.
That really has no bearing on getting your station operational, other
than you might hear a digipeat coming back from the digipeater when
you send packets.

My home station and callsign is KD8BIN.
Always a very important piece of information when asking for help. By
providing the EXACT CALLSIGN-SSID, it allows the rest of us to look
for any evidence of how your specific station may or may not be
operating.

So, after i get the passcode, I will see if I have luck sending messages....
You might, but that would be because the message is going out to the
APRS-IS, and then gets gated back to RF and delivered to the desired
station.

There's something else going on here... It looks like your station is
on the air, and is sending packets out via RF.

I just sent your station a query, and got a response back. I sent a
message and got an ACK back, but both via APRS-IS only.

In the middle of a chat with you on APRSISCE/32 currently, but the RF
ONLY section doesn't seem to be working.

Lynn, what can be disabled to make RF messaging stop working, yet
position reports still go out over RF?

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: Need Help

Greg Depew
 

The passcode has no bearing on the rf side of things. That's just a validation saying you can send to the Internet.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: johndvorack@...
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 23:32:15
To: <aprsisce@...>
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Need Help

 




Thanks for the reply James.......The video you sent me did help....I believe my main problem is the fact I need a passcode, which I did send a e-mail for.


The W8HHF station is our local repeater for the APRS, D-Star etc.  My home station and callsign is KD8BIN.


So, after i get the passcode, I will see if I have luck sending messages....


Thanks,
John KD8BIN


Re: Need Help

johndvorack
 

Thanks for the reply James.......The video you sent me did help....I believe my main problem is the fact I need a passcode, which I did send a e-mail for.


The W8HHF station is our local repeater for the APRS, D-Star etc.  My home station and callsign is KD8BIN.


So, after i get the passcode, I will see if I have luck sending messages....


Thanks,

John KD8BIN


Re: Need Help

James Ewen
 

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM, <johndvorack@...> wrote:

I am running APRS as a home station.
Under what callsign?

I would like to send messages to other stations that I see on the display.
Easy enough, go to Messages, select Send Message, and enter the
callsign of the station to send a message to. A dialog box will open
up, and you can type messages as desired.

For example, my local APRS station is W8HHF,
You should get that station operational and connected to RF or the
APRS-IS then...

and I would like to send a message to a repeater in another city
whose APRS station is W8JES.
Repeaters don't communicate. They are pieces of hardware used to
automatically resend voice communication. Now, W8JES is an APRS
station running UI-View, and is advertising itself as an i-gate and
digipeater, yet is situated so poorly that it has to use a WIDE1-1 hop
request to get help from a local home station acting as a fill-in to
be heard by another WIDE area digipeater. You would be able to send a
message to that station as it is on APRS. You should also get
acknowledgement messages back letting you know the message was
received.

I am beaconing OK as I see my station on the APRS findu site...
Really? Because when I search for W8HHF, I get a station not found response.

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?w8hhf

Sorry, no position known for W8HHF

No position report for W8HHF has been heard in the last 10 days. There
may be a problem with the spelling of the callsign, the station may
not be on the air, or in an area without radio coverage. If you are
not the owner of the station, you should contact the station operator
for help.

You might also try a lookup of W8HHF on qrz.com, which gives license
information for all US and many foreign radio amateurs.


aprs.fi shows us that W8HHF was last heard 217 days ago.

http://aprs.fi/W8HHF*

callsign age comment
W8HHF 217d 15h10m TMRA Field Day Site
W8HHF B 4m52s 440 Voice 442.750 +5.00 MHz
W8HHF-B 4m33s 440 Voice 442.750 +5.00 MHz
W8HHF-15 11m21s Toledo-OH-nsrWideDigi-IGate

I just can't seem to send a message....
Have you tried following the instructions for setting up APRSISCE/32?
Watch the video and follow the instructions. It will get you up and
operational.

http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/initial-startup

Also when I bring up the message window, I check the RF box and
click send....nothing happens..my TNC does not transmit.....
That's because you do not have your station configured properly. There
is no indication that W8HHF is operational, either on RF or IS. Get
that sorted out by following the above set up instructions, and you'll
find not only is your station showing up online and on RF, but you
will also be able to send messages to other APRS operators.

I hope this explains my situation....

John KD8BIN
There is an APRS station KD8BIN which is running APRSISCE/32... might
that be your station?

There's evidence that that station has been switching between
APRSISCE/32 and UI-View.

That station is alternating between sending precise location reports,
4133.71N/08337.84W and maidenhead gridsquares, EN81en. This can be
done, but it can end up making the station location bounce around
between the precise location, and a randomized location in the
reported imprecise gridsquare.

KD8BIN is also using WIDE1-1 as an intial hop request, but analysis of
the packets passed to the APRS-IS stream show that the station can
easily be heard by the local digi/i-gate. WIDE1-1 could be removed
from the outgoing path, lessening congestion on the local APRS
network.

KD8BIN does not appear to be operational currently as it hasn't been
heard from in a number of hours. I tried sending a message, and get no
response, so that is probably the case.

So, are we looking to correct a problem with KD8BIN, or get W8HHF up
and operational?

--
James
VE6SRV


GPS units

sbd sbd
 

Well my experience With the adafruit breakout GPS module has been good. Took it a couple of minutes from cold start, to work out where it was, that from new.

It does much the same after a power cycle, I have no battery attached to it

Will run from 3.3 or 5V  serial output is 3.3V so you might need to use an interface if using TTL levels.

 

Obviously I am using it for my RPI projects, but it’s good to feed other things with a bit of interface work.

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 

 


Re: Need Help

johndvorack
 

Hi Lynn:


I am running APRS as a home station. I would like to send messages to other stations that I see on the display.  For example, my local APRS station is W8HHF, and I would like to send a message to a repeater in another city whose APRS station is W8JES.  I am beaconing OK as I see my station on the APRS findu site... I just can't seem to send a message....

Also when I bring up the message window, I check the RF box and click send....nothing happens..my TNC does not transmit.....


I hope this explains my situation....


Thanks,

John  KD8BIN


Re: RPI TNC-Pi GPSD and NTP

sbd sbd
 

Well after initial problems have the GPS working with GPSD. The problem being a broken GND lead.

Just recompiling NTP to get PPS support.

Will see if Kernel or additional software for PPS support is the best way, a kernel recompile takes a lot of time.

 

For those wanting to test with GPSD I will make it available over the internet shortly, would help Lynn with APRSMO if nothing else

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Fred Hillhouse Jr
Sent: 23 January 2014 14:50
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: RE: [aprsisce] RPI TNC-Pi GPSD and NTP

 

 

Write it up and they will read!

 

Best regards,

Fred N7FMH

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Steve Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:00 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] RPI TNC-Pi GPSD and NTP

 

 

I am building a Digpeater/Igate using an RPI and TNC-Pi

Also this will have a GPS attached with PPS.

Will be sharing GPS data via GPSD and also using GPSD and NTP to create a stratum 1 time server. Accurate hopefully to 20uS

Will write it up if there is interest.

 

 

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 

 


Re: PreDownload OSM Maps

Chris Johnson
 

Using the page that Fred gave me,  I wrote a perl script to fetch a range of tiles when using a boundary box of Lat Long (Upper Left), Lat Long (Lower Right), and Zoom level.


Please check my code on Git:


https://github.com/Ozy311/HamStuff/blob/master/HamStuff/tile_fetch_range.pl


Re: Need Help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

On 1/23/2014 5:35 PM, johndvorack@... wrote:

, and it will not transmit.....
Maybe http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:transmitting

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Re: Need Help

James Ewen
 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:35 PM, <johndvorack@...> wrote:

My question is, How do you connect to a station? I have tried
several times, and it will not transmit.....
The simple answer is "You can't."

APRS is built on top of the AX.25 Protocol, and uses UI (Unnumbered
Information) Frames to send and receive data. As such, there is no
"connected" state in the APRS world.

In the APRS world, you send and forget packets... kind of like
throwing a note in a bottle into the ocean, rather than placing a
telephone call. There is no acknowledgement of receipt, there is no
way of knowing for sure if anyone received your information.

Now, of course if you hear a digipeater forward your packet, you can
infer from that that the digipeater heard your packet.

Also, the messaging portion of APRS does a type of handshaking, where
you get a response back from the recipient acknowledging receipt of
the message. This still is not a connected protocol, but rather a send
and respond transaction via UI frames.

Now if you are asking something totally different, you might have to
ask a more robust question...

Your query was a little obtuse because you stated you could get your
radio and TNC to transmit, but immediately followed that up with a
statement about not getting "it" to transmit. What might "it" be? You
can't have it both ways...

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: Need Help

Dave
 

That. Was my guess... I think he may need to go through the port setup and  enable the "enables".  


On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:27 PM, "Steve Daniels" <steve@...> wrote:

 

Well depending on how long John has been into radio, connected could mean he thinks APRS is the same as Packet, Where you connected to another station.

 

Steve Daniels

Amateur Radio Callsign G6UIM

Torbay Freecycle  Owner

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/torbay_freecycle

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: 24 January 2014 01:55
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Need Help

 

 

Please define what you mean by "connect to a station"?


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

 

On 1/23/2014 5:35 PM, johndvorack@... wrote:

I am fairly new to APRS..I have the APRSIS32 program, and I can get my radio and TNC to transmit.My question is, How do you connect to a station?  I have tried

several times, and it will not transmit.....

 

Thanks for any help..

 

John  KD8BIN

 

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