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In the nice have department...

Fred Hillhouse
 

Greetings Lynn,


There are a few stations that I like to follow when they are active. I can
do a FIND and have an active window open while waiting but it would be nice
to be waiting with no window and when beacon arrives, then have the window
open.

The main reason is that most of these stations are only active a few days at
a time with stretches of inactivity in between. It would cut down on the
number of stuff on the taskbar.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Fred, N7FMH


Re: Connecting the smartphone

Fred Hillhouse
 

"I read in the past that some experimentation have been made in connecting
APRSISCE running on Windows Mobile to a tracker or TNC using the Bluetooth."

This does work. I use it everyday with my HTC Tilt and a Roving Networks
RN-240M Bluetooth to RS232 adapter.
My configuration looks like this: Radio <=wires=> TNC (OT2) <=wires=>
RN-240M <=bluetooth=> HTC Tilt (sans SIM).


"I have found nothing related to connecting it directly to a Radio using the
microphone and heard connections."

Hmm, I think there are many messages in the archive.


"I run successfully APRSISCE on my laptop using the AGW driver to connect
directly the audio port to the RTX. I'm wondering if connecting the
smartphone with the power of APRSISCE directly to a small handled RTX using
a third party driver or implementing this functionality, would allow us to
have a very flexible and low cost device."

The OT2-USB and TT4 are two units that are low power and low cost. With the
Bluetooth adapter you could have


"Imagine using it as a digipeater remotely controlled via GSM in case of
hang,"

The Tracker2/3 can be configured over RF now. Interesting idea to use GSM.


"or a quick and easy to build tracker when you move from home."

I have substituted the my above radio/TNC combination with a T2-301 from
Argent Data Systems with equal success. The Byonics MT-AIO (?) will work
too!


"I do not know if this functionality has already been suggested and if there
may be some road block in implementing it, but I think this would be a nice
feature."

Answered above.


"(alternative could be to send out the sound via Bluetooth to a receiver
modified to receive it and make an interface to the mic/hear connectors of
the RTX)."

Interesting idea.


"Thanks, Iw2ejh op/Marino"


Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Connecting the smartphone

MARINO MELONI
 

Hi all,
I read in the past that some experimentation have been made in connecting APRSISCE running on Windows Mobile to a tracker or TNC using the Bluetooth.
I have found nothing related to connecting it directly to a Radio using the microphone and heard connections.
I run successfully APRSISCE on my laptop using the AGW driver to connect directly the audio port to the RTX.
I'm wondering if connecting the smartphone with the power of APRSISCE directly to a small handled RTX using a third party driver or implementing this functionality, would allow us to have a very flexible and low cost device.
Imagine using it as a digipeater remotely controlled via GSM in case of hang, or a quick and easy to build tracker when you move from home.
I do not know if this functionality has already been suggested and if there may be some road block in implementing it, but I think this would be a nice feature.
(alternative could be to send out the sound via Bluetooth to a receiver modified to receive it and make an interface to the mic/hear connectors of the RTX).

Thanks
Iw2ejh op/Marino


Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

Charles Blackburn <ai4ri@...>
 

just waiting on uncle sam there freddy
 
charlie


Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

n9pbj <dave@...>
 

Ok first of, whoa, lets step back and take a breath here. I phrased my title and first sentence incorrectly.

I had no intention of pre-fetching the world via aprsis. I was looking more for someone that had already followed the instructions from the page Lynn referenced. The page is a bit old and some of the programs / libraries listed are out of date.

I will be going this route since I already have access to the computing power and the planet file took only about 3 hours to download. I was just wondering if anyone had already done it.

-Dave

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hillhouse" <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:

That's a lotta tiles!

The friendliest way is to build a system to render your own tiles from "The
Planet" data. I think there are several looking at it but I have not read
about any progress. I am looking but not too actively since I will need to
build a Linux system from the looks of it. I have not found a Windows path
for rendering yet. If you discover one, let me know.

A unfriendly method is to find a tile downloader and just go for it. It is
likely that your access will be terminated. But it will be only you.

A mega-unfriendly way is to use APRSIS32 to download and potentially get
everyone using the application banned.

Maybe for a large donation to the cause, someone that does rendering would
create a DVD of tiles. I have thought along this route but the next
paragraph explains why I found the DVD pointless. A donation to the cause is
not pointless however.

I have done some traveling recently and found that tiles much beyond my trip
route is pointless, e.g, I found no reason to get tiles for all of Maryland
when I was only going to travel down I-81 and back. Of course, the route was
predetermined.

I limit the zoom level as well to 10-15. 15 gives up street names and 10 is
far enough out to give a decent view of the immediate would around me.

A constant internet connection is really nice since it will only get tiles
you actually need. But, of course, this takes money. The cost of a system to
render your own and the the cost of a constant internet connection maybe the
same but I bet not. I suspect the phone with data is cheaper. That would be
an interest study.

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH



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From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of n9pbj
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 17:33
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [aprsisce] Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?




Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US
at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes
all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to
aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?


Re: How do I transmit?

rrrevels
 

Hi Steve,

I have been running the tnc-x for a couple of years on my xp computer and on this computer under virtual xp. I checked all of the settings mentioned on the wiki and don't see any that weren't set. I am getting errors on the log saying that the tnc-x isn't responding to the KISS commands.

I'm still looking.
Thanks,
Russ N4FT

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Daniels" <steve@...> wrote:

I use the same setup, use a simple KISS port, make sure you have TX enabled
on the port config and also that you don't have RX only enabled in the
enabled ports menu, also look at the port log under enables view logs,
whatever you called the port, and make sure you are actually getting data
over the port.

And since you probably built a kit, make sure there are no faults with it,
you need to tweek the pots for TX. And obviously the connection to the PTT

Sorry if that's obvious stuff, a tnc-x and aprsis32 work fine out of the box
so to speak.

It really is just a case of load aprsis32 connect the TNC and select the
port and baud rate, for the TNC-X and your good to go, other than needing a
net connection to load the maps



Steve Daniels

G6UIM

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From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rrrevels
Sent: 11 January 2012 23:36
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [aprsisce] How do I transmit?





I am running windows7 x64 into a usb to a tnc-x using KISS mode. I see all
receive traffic but have not been able to get the tnc to transmit. I have
tried looking at the documentation but haven't found any clues. Anyone have
any ideas?

Thanks,
Russ


Re: How do I transmit?

sbd sbd
 

I use the same setup, use a simple KISS port, make sure you have TX enabled on the port config and also that you don’t have RX only enabled in the enabled ports  menu, also look at the port log under enables view logs, whatever you called the port,  and make sure you are  actually getting data over the port.

And since you probably built a kit, make sure there are no faults with it, you need to tweek the pots for TX. And obviously the connection to the PTT

Sorry if that’s obvious stuff, a tnc-x and aprsis32 work fine out of the box so to speak.

It really is just a case of load aprsis32 connect the TNC and select the port and baud rate, for the TNC-X and your good to go,  other than needing a net connection to load the maps

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of rrrevels
Sent: 11 January 2012 23:36
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] How do I transmit?

 

 

I am running windows7 x64 into a usb to a tnc-x using KISS mode. I see all receive traffic but have not been able to get the tnc to transmit. I have tried looking at the documentation but haven't found any clues. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Russ


Re: How do I transmit?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Please read http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:transmitting

And if that doesn't cover it, post back here again.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/11/2012 6:36 PM, rrrevels wrote:
I am running windows7 x64 into a usb to a tnc-x using KISS mode. I see all receive traffic but have not been able to get the tnc to transmit. I have tried looking at the documentation but haven't found any clues. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Russ



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How do I transmit?

rrrevels
 

I am running windows7 x64 into a usb to a tnc-x using KISS mode. I see all receive traffic but have not been able to get the tnc to transmit. I have tried looking at the documentation but haven't found any clues. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Russ


Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

Fred Hillhouse
 

That's a lotta tiles!
 
The friendliest way is to build a system to render your own tiles from "The Planet" data. I think there are several looking at it but I have not read about any progress. I am looking but not too actively since I will need to build a Linux system from the looks of it. I have not found a Windows path for rendering yet. If you discover one, let me know.
 
A unfriendly method is to find a tile downloader and just go for it. It is likely that your access will be terminated. But it will be only you.
 
A mega-unfriendly way is to use APRSIS32 to download and potentially get everyone using the application banned.
 
Maybe for a large donation to the cause, someone that does rendering would create a DVD of tiles. I have thought along this route but the next paragraph explains why I found the DVD pointless. A donation to the cause is not pointless however.
 
I have done some traveling recently and found that tiles much beyond my trip route is pointless, e.g, I found no reason to get tiles for all of Maryland when I was only going to travel down I-81 and back. Of course, the route was predetermined.
 
I limit the zoom level as well to 10-15. 15 gives up street names and 10 is far enough out to give a decent view of the immediate would around me.
 
A constant internet connection is really nice since it will only get tiles you actually need. But, of course, this takes money. The cost of a system to render your own and the the cost of a constant internet connection maybe the same but I bet not. I suspect the phone with data is cheaper. That would be an interest study.
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH
 
 
 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of n9pbj
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 17:33
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

 

Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?


Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

See message 13277 and the thread.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aprsisce/message/13277

Maybe we need to condense that discussion into a Wiki Page to keep my blood pressure down when it inevitably comes up again.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/11/2012 5:33 PM, n9pbj wrote:
Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?





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Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Please see also the table at the bottom of http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/map-prefetch

Do you really, really want to download 22,906,492,245 individual files (ok, so that's the whole world, but you get the idea).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/11/2012 5:33 PM, n9pbj wrote:
Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?





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Re: Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

NO NO NO!  Please do NOT attempt to prefetch large areas that you will never view!  There are reasons for the limits imposed by APRSISCE/32 on the prefetch.

Please read: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy#Bulk_Downloading

OSM is two things in one: a database which contains map data ("The Planet") and a tile server from which pre-rendered tiles can be loaded.  APRSISCE/32 accesses the latter, and as they put it:

OpenStreetMap data is free for everyone to use. Our tile servers are not.

Abuse of the tile servers can result in having APRSISCE/32 blocked from their tile servers which means NO ONE gets the maps!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  If you really want to see it all, consider setting up your own tile server as described at:

http://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server

which states the following Hardware Requirements:

    Bare minimum hardware requirements
  • RAM: 1 GB
  • Disk: 250 GB
    Recommended minimum hardware requirements
  • RAM: 4 GB
  • Disk: 1 TB
    potential production hardware requirements
  • RAM: 64 GB
  • Disk: Many TB of 15,000 RPM RAID

And if you've got the spare capacity to do that, please publish the resulting tile server access information so that we can all reduce our load on OSM's tile server (only partially kidding here).


On 1/11/2012 5:33 PM, n9pbj wrote:
Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?



Re: Tracking [1 Attachment]

Randy Love
 

Yep, he's a real jet setter. ;)

See him on RF here in SE Michigan when he's taking a short cut from KBOS to KLAX.


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Fred Hillhouse included below]

Greetings,

Been following KA1GJU-6 yesterday and today: KLAX-LDFW-KBOS.



Quickest way to prefetch the entire USA?

n9pbj <dave@...>
 

Ok, so I'm wondering if there is any quicker way to prefetch the entire US at all zoom levels for use on my laptop and country-wide road trips.

I see that Openstreetmaps provides for a "The Planet" file which includes all the data, and some places provide just the US, such as cloudmade.com...

I'm googling around on how to make the data in these files accessible to aprsis, but wondering if anyone has already done something similar?


Re: Beacon IRLP connect status to RF

Fred Hillhouse
 

No problem, I was attempting humor. Actually since Lynn pointed out the message was at the bottom, I will look there next time.
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Keehan Dowd

At about 12-01-11 11:02 AM, Fred Hillhouse whilst discussing "Re: [aprsisce] Beacon IRLP connect status to RF", wrote the following:

 

That was quite brief! :D




Yeah, sorry, it's an iPhone thing (I'm on a real PC now).  The iPhone makes it real hard to remove all that Yahoo group stuff at the bottom of the message and it messes with the HTML so that Yahoo doesn't automatically remove it if it's left in with the message.

Cheers,
Keehan - VE6XVK


Re: Beacon IRLP connect status to RF

Keehan Dowd
 

At about 12-01-11 11:02 AM, Fred Hillhouse whilst discussing "Re: [aprsisce] Beacon IRLP connect status to RF", wrote the following:
 

That was quite brief! :D




Yeah, sorry, it's an iPhone thing (I'm on a real PC now).  The iPhone makes it real hard to remove all that Yahoo group stuff at the bottom of the message and it messes with the HTML so that Yahoo doesn't automatically remove it if it's left in with the message.

Cheers,
Keehan - VE6XVK


Tracking

Fred Hillhouse
 

Greetings,

Been following KA1GJU-6 yesterday and today: KLAX-LDFW-KBOS.


Re: APRSIS32 using "Kantronics 3 Plus" in KISS mode

g8zqa <peter.stonebridge@...>
 

Many thanks to Fred and Bradley. XML file modded and all working!

Thanks again

Peter (G8ZQA)

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hillhouse" <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:

Greetings Peter,

Your FTM-350 should have a different SSID from APRSIS32. Once they are
different, you can tell who is transmitting.
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:ssids

Before editing your XML file read this:
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:editing-xml-configuration

For the KPC:
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3

On another note, depending on the version of KPC3+, it may delay packets if
used as an I-Gate.

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH

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From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of g8zqa
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 05:13
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [aprsisce] APRSIS32 using "Kantronics 3 Plus" in KISS mode




Is anyone using the above TNC in KISS mode on APRSIS32 please. It seems to
work OK with the Yaesu FTM 350E on Ui-View OK, but not really sure if the
Beacons are being initiated by the programme or the Rig settings!
I've set up a new port in KISS in the APRSIS32 programme at the correct Baud
Rate, but guessing that I might also have to edit the XML document as
described on a recent thread, and Wiki, about using a TT TNC.
I have taken a B/U, but just want to be a bit more sure before I start
altering things!

Thanks

Peter (G8ZQA)


Re: Beacon IRLP connect status to RF

ka1mzy <ka1mzy@...>
 

Correct. No sweat guys, I thought I would ask.


I'll use the /o string and see what it does for the logging now at any rate. Its not a major dealbreaker for the use of aprsice. I will look forward to it being implemented though in the future.

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Daniels" <steve@...> wrote:


Although I think KA1MZY would like the ability to pass through aprs data on
an aprsis32 port out to RF



Steve Daniels

G6UIM

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From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: 11 January 2012 17:31
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Beacon IRLP connect status to RF





I believe IRLP has a script or somesuch that knows how to drive a
dedicated TNC/Radio installation to transmit this information. This
approach is not compatible with APRSISCE/32.

I do not know of any IRLP-generated "APRS traffic" that could be gated
to RF except via a direct and dedicated TNC. However, if the
information is available from IRLP in some other form (say a local file
similar to the WXnow.txt for weather), something could probably be added
to APRSISCE/32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 1/11/2012 12:22 PM, ka1mzy wrote:
I have an IRLP node locally here.

I want to beacon it's connect status to the local RF traffic upon
connection and disconnection.

Can someone point me to the setting, if it exists to gate this APRS
traffic to RF?



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