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Mapping was: New user, many questions

Bob Burns W9RXR <w9rxr_@...>
 

At 08:45 PM 6/26/2011, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:
APRSISCE/32 supports the drawing objects of the APRS spec.
Good answer and something worth exploring, but not what I had in mind. I don't want to transmit the drawn objects and the interface seems a bit clunky to me right now.

Usually when I'm working an event, I'm running two programs on my laptop: UI-View and Delorme's TopoUSA. UI-View, so I can interact with the APRS world around me, and TopoUSA, so I can look at detailed maps and plot routes. I'll talk more about how I share GPS data in my next post. I've gotten pretty good at executing the Alt-Tab keystroke while driving down the road.

If there was a way to draw a route in another program and then transfer that route to my APRS client, I'd be ecstatic. The GPX format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_eXchange_Format) might be something for you to consider down the road as a means of transferring waypoints, routes, and tracks to and from the program.

Bob...


Features Was: New user, many questions

Bob Burns W9RXR <w9rxr_@...>
 

Thanks to Lynn and James for their replies. I spent the last two evenings experimenting and testing. That, coupled with what I've read here, gives me a better understanding of the program and its capabilities.

My interest in APRS is on local RF operations. I don't care that much about interfacing with APRS-IS because I primarily use APRS while mobile and I don't run an I-gate. For most of my mobile APRS work, I use the Kenwood TM-D710 by itself and dig through the received stations/objects as I see fit. Only on occasion, usually when I'm working some sort of public service event, do I put the laptop computer in the car and fire up a mapping APRS client. The TM-D710 is a capable APRS tracker, so I don't need the APRS client to do that. What I want the client to do is show stations/objects, including myself, on a map, let me send and receive messages, and let me create objects. If it can help me follow a route drawn on the map, that'd be a big plus.

We'll talk about the D710 interface and the mapping in other messages.

At 08:45 PM 6/26/2011, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:

APRSISCE/32 doesn't currently have the ability to keep multiple stations in view on a single screen. But it has MultiTrack.
Since UI-View, by itself, doesn't draw tracks of moving stations, the MultiTrack feature is a bonus. But I'll put in my vote for being able to track multiple stations in the same window with auto-zoom.

That's not a list of recently received stations, but a list of recently received packets...There is no "station list" in APRSISCE/32.
Understood. One of the nice features of UI-View and the Kenwood APRS radios (and, I assume, the Yaesus) is the ability to look at a list of stations along with some basic information such as the APRS symbol, the date/time of the last packet received from that station, the distance and bearing to the station, and other pertinent information. It's a feature I'll miss in APRSIS/32. As James mentions, some of us like to look at lists and some of us like to look at maps.

Time since heard could be shown on the map in a very coarse way and I think the APRS spec addresses that or maybe it's just a feature of APRSDOS that WB4APR mentions. Don't know if APRSIS/32 has that or not.

Enables / View Logs / <YourPortName> or APRS-IS or Transmit or Packets or ... Once the trace log is shown, select Enable from the menu of the trace log.
Got it. Sometimes it's easier to debug local network problems by looking at the raw packets hence my interest in a terminal window.

Bob...


Re: Auto System Down Grade

vk2asy <vk2asy@...>
 

Yes but I need glasses on the pick up that sort of detail, I saw the fuzzy Yes /No buttons and just pressed the Yes without thinking about it.. Then was still in the same situation when the warning came up, it wasn't till later when I put the glasses on, the read what it actually said when I checked the laptop...

Doh....

Cheers Kim

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Thanks for the notification. I was doing some server consolidation
today and retro-graded the release directory. I just pushed out the
latest and will hopefully do a verified good release by the weekend.

Tell me, did it warn you that you were going backwards a revision?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 6:32 PM, vk2asy wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Checked for upgrade this morning, and my IGate moved into detected and added some buttons, just a pity I didn't have my glasses on at the time, so I said yes, and next I get the warning about development going backwards. I didn't think any more of it at the time, but before work, I chaecked my laptop, and it wanted to Downgrade as well..

I'm not worried about the actual downgrade, I will check it out later in the day when I have more time, but thought you should be aware.

73 Kim


Re: Auto System Down Grade

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Thanks for the notification. I was doing some server consolidation today and retro-graded the release directory. I just pushed out the latest and will hopefully do a verified good release by the weekend.

Tell me, did it warn you that you were going backwards a revision?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 6:32 PM, vk2asy wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Checked for upgrade this morning, and my IGate moved into detected and added some buttons, just a pity I didn't have my glasses on at the time, so I said yes, and next I get the warning about development going backwards. I didn't think any more of it at the time, but before work, I chaecked my laptop, and it wanted to Downgrade as well..

I'm not worried about the actual downgrade, I will check it out later in the day when I have more time, but thought you should be aware.

73 Kim


Auto System Down Grade

vk2asy <vk2asy@...>
 

Hi Lynn,

Checked for upgrade this morning, and my IGate moved into detected and added some buttons, just a pity I didn't have my glasses on at the time, so I said yes, and next I get the warning about development going backwards. I didn't think any more of it at the time, but before work, I chaecked my laptop, and it wanted to Downgrade as well..

I'm not worried about the actual downgrade, I will check it out later in the day when I have more time, but thought you should be aware.

73 Kim


OT2 problems

kc8sfq
 

OK The subject line here is probably a misnomer. The problem turns out to be (big surprise) the operator.

I have been chasing my RF-to-map link for a while. Lynn and others have been helping (Thank you)

Lynn: you said that my Tracker was not in KISS mode, but I looked and it WAS. At some point, perhaps on the fuzzy edge of sleep, I remembered that the Argent manual for the Tracker said that it would keep doing it's other functions, even if it was in KISS mode. That way, it can, among other things, digipeat while running as a weather reporting station. One of the things it would do is switch profiles based upon the settings specified with the setup program. On an earlier occasion, I had set up the tracker to switch profiles, based on valid/ invalid GPS strings. I had forgotten that, as I started trying to interface the OT2 with APRSIS32. What happened was the profile switched based on the fact that there was no GPS. Profile 2 was set to auto, and caused the all the trouble.

I have exposed my stupidity to the world here, hoping my brain fade might help someone avoid this struggle over a simple check mark in a box two menu levels down, somewhere.

my program is now happily populating with objects from RF, and I even had a message QSO with another member of our local club.

Thanks again for all the help. Now it's time to take this show on the road.

73 KC8SFQ Ron


Re: Aprs

sbd sbd
 

It’s not clear to me what Ken is trying to do, will await Ken posting details

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Fred Hillhouse
Sent: 29 June 2011 22:09
To: aprsisce@...; 'Kenneth.wing'
Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: Aprs

 

 

Hmm, I Google Adobo and I come up with food. Thanks, now I am hungry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobo

 

Ken, describe what you need to accomplish. Maybe we can help you figure it out.

 

Thanks!

 

Fred, N7FMH

 

 

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 16:47
To: Kenneth.wing; aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Re: Aprs

 

Ken,

I'm cross-posting this to the APRSISCE Yahoo group to see if anyone
there can lend any experience to your needs. If you can post a response
to this message describing more details of what you're tasked with and
what features you have not found to be met by APRSISCE/32, we can work
through them.

If APRSISCE/32 can't do it, then I suspect there isn't an APRS client
out there right now that can do it. But that might be a bit of vanity
talking.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS. Sent by Thunderbird from my Dell Vostro 1700 with Windows 7
Professional 64.

On 6/29/2011 3:57 PM, Kenneth.wing wrote:
>
>
>
> I am beginning to think that this program will not do what I have been tasked to do.
>
> I have adobo w6co-5 and was asked to add a server to it for search and rescue use. The ability to map those in the field and have the Command to view what going on
>
> Ken wb6ivk


Re: Aprs

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hmm, I Google Adobo and I come up with food. Thanks, now I am hungry.
 
Ken, describe what you need to accomplish. Maybe we can help you figure it out.
 
Thanks!
 
Fred, N7FMH
 
 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 16:47
To: Kenneth.wing; aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Re: Aprs

 

Ken,

I'm cross-posting this to the APRSISCE Yahoo group to see if anyone
there can lend any experience to your needs. If you can post a response
to this message describing more details of what you're tasked with and
what features you have not found to be met by APRSISCE/32, we can work
through them.

If APRSISCE/32 can't do it, then I suspect there isn't an APRS client
out there right now that can do it. But that might be a bit of vanity
talking.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS. Sent by Thunderbird from my Dell Vostro 1700 with Windows 7
Professional 64.


On 6/29/2011 3:57 PM, Kenneth.wing wrote:
>
>
>
> I am beginning to think that this program will not do what I have been tasked to do.
>
> I have adobo w6co-5 and was asked to add a server to it for search and rescue use. The ability to map those in the field and have the Command to view what going on
>
> Ken wb6ivk


Re: Aprs

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Ken,

I'm cross-posting this to the APRSISCE Yahoo group to see if anyone there can lend any experience to your needs. If you can post a response to this message describing more details of what you're tasked with and what features you have not found to be met by APRSISCE/32, we can work through them.

If APRSISCE/32 can't do it, then I suspect there isn't an APRS client out there right now that can do it. But that might be a bit of vanity talking.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS. Sent by Thunderbird from my Dell Vostro 1700 with Windows 7 Professional 64. <grin>

On 6/29/2011 3:57 PM, Kenneth.wing wrote:

Sent from my iPad

I am beginning to think that this program will not do what I have been tasked to do.

I have adobo w6co-5 and was asked to add a server to it for search and rescue use. The ability to map those in the field and have the Command to view what going on

Ken wb6ivk


QRU RSGB Region 11 clubs

sbd sbd
 

I have just finished entering the RSGB affiliated Radio Clubs for Region 11 (because that’s my region)

Will now start on Region 1 and work my way through

If you have a club that’s not listed on the RSGB site please let me know and I will add you

 

Those of you in region 11 who want to test send ?ARCLUB to QRU

 

Region 11 is South West England

 

I also have all the A&E hospitals ?HOSP and lifeboat stations ?LIFEBOAT I regard these as a resource and I am happy to share the objects if any one wants them.

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM

 


Re: Messaging

Kenneth Wing <kenneth.wing@...>
 

Did not know about password - can't remember what mine was  Will check on that
Thanks Ken


--- On Wed, 6/29/11, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:

From: Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Messaging
To: aprsisce@...
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:57 AM

 

Do you have a valid APRS-IS password entered?  Or are you trying to do messaging via RF?

You might want to read http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/aprs-messaging-explained

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 10:51 AM, Kenneth Wing wrote:

OK the problem is that I receive messages but am not able to sent one - or that is get ack of receipt I have even tried sending to myself?

Ken wb6ivk



Re: Messaging

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Do you have a valid APRS-IS password entered?  Or are you trying to do messaging via RF?

You might want to read http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/aprs-messaging-explained

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 10:51 AM, Kenneth Wing wrote:

OK the problem is that I receive messages but am not able to sent one - or that is get ack of receipt I have even tried sending to myself?

Ken wb6ivk



Messaging

Kenneth Wing <kenneth.wing@...>
 

OK the problem is that I receive messages but am not able to sent one - or that is get ack of receipt I have even tried sending to myself?

Ken wb6ivk


Re: Julian's News

apenadragon <kc2ant@...>
 

Sending positive thoughts from this side of the world... Sad news. :(

Adam
KC2ANT

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

For those of you that know (directly or indirectly through this group)
Julian, G4ILO, he just posted news of his current medical condition to
his blog at:

http://blog.g4ilo.com/2011/06/final-over.html

Warning: This is a mortality reminder for all of us.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - With thoughts and prayers going out for Julian


Re: Filters

robt.harris
 

Lynn:

UV is "Upper Valley", a region of NH and VT from roughly Lebanon, NH, to Woodsville, NH and Wells River, VT.

On 6/28/2011 9:46 PM, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, I have been put in charge of the APRS effort for a bike ride. We will be using APRSISCE for the first time. As I tinker around in advance I keep coming up with questions.

Last year's APRS coordinator had the vehicles with trackers add UV3-3 to the path. He used that with his temporary digis.

Just curious, what's "UV"?

--

Bob Harris (K9UDX)
Bath, NH


Re: port setup question

Nigel A. Gunn <nigel@...>
 

PK88.

On 29/06/11 06:01, Brian Cochran wrote:


And I guess what is the preferred tnc ?


Re: port setup question

Randy Love
 

A note here.

You can use a KPC3+ in KISS mode directly connected to UI-View *as long as you use the UI-View scheduler to restart UI-View daily*.
The issue occurs when the KPC3+ is left running for extended periods without being brought out of KISS mode.
Restarting UI-View, when TNC port is properly configured, will bring the KPC3+ out of KISS mode when the program exists for the restart and back into KISS mode when it fires back up again.

As for AGWPE, it will have the same issue with the KPC3+ and delayed packets if the configuration does not contain Exit KISS commands. If you have all your boxes running a script that restarts AGWPE, where AGWPE exits normally with the proper Exit KISS commands, then restarts, you are pretty safe in not having the delay issue with KPC3+'s at your sites.

Randy
WF5X


On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Brian Cochran <WC4J@...> wrote:
 

Yes all of these are I-gates.

I use my older 1270c’s with uidigi proms at digi only sites no computers.

 

Yes I understand this is only with plus units

And yes only Igates

 

I have been pushing for additional igates in my area and as I am familiar with and they can run down to HRO in woodbridge and get them I have been telling folks to use KPC-3’s there are many who are receive only when they can’t get a digi up do to interference with other operations. So I have at least 4 of mine in a 50 mile radius and another 6 or 7 hams running the same setup

This will be interesting checking everyone’s gear. I’m glad we are looking at cheaper units like bionics TT4 or the TNC-x

 

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of James Ewen
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:56 AM


To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] port setup question

 

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Brian Cochran <WC4J@...> wrote:



> I'm packing now for a trip to all 4 of my sites to swap the reserve non plus
> units in for the plus ones. I had no idea this was happening what a eye
> opener!

So you have 4 APRS i-gates at different sites running KPC-3+ units in KISS mode?

You ARE paying attention to the details of what we are saying here, aren't you?

The issue ONLY surfaces on KPC-3+ units running in KISS mode as
i-gates. If you are running KPC-3+ units as stand alone digipeaters,
there's no issue.

--
James
VE6SRV



Re: port setup question

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Yes, the KISS issue has only been found in the plus version.  Many people are doing just what you propose and switching to the non-plus KPC-3 to run in KISS mode without problems.

The same setup applies for APRSISCE/32.  Get the KPC-3 into KISS mode so that it stays there across a power cycle and replace the s in a KISS-mode port with the following No-ops.

~!!0
~!!0

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 1:21 AM, Brian Cochran wrote:

Ok Is this just the plus versions? I was unaware of this but I have a simple way of resetting my tnc thru agwpe that wont affect the data.

But I have a dozen or so older kpc3 non plus 5.0-7.0 proms that are in reserve. It looks like switching to these may correct my problem? Am I thinking this correct?

 

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:15 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] port setup question

 

 

Google for

KPC-3+ +KISS +delay

and watch the videos on YouTube.  Also, you can read:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aprsisce/message/7622

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/29/2011 12:31 AM, Brian Cochran wrote:

I guess I should ask what is the kpc-3 kiss issue????

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:20 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] port setup question

 

 

If UI-View is running a KPC-3+ in KISS mode, you have issues that you might not even know about.  Unless you have your UI-View restarting periodically which also works around the KPC-3+ KISS issues.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/28/2011 11:17 PM, Brian Cochran wrote:

Ive done this still have issues biggest one is this is going to a mountain top site no ability to power cycle. I have a laptop with uiview running up there now no issues I may just leave it there and run the aprsis at local sites doesn’t make since to have to power cycle the kpc-3+9.0

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:55 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] port setup question

 

 

Put the KPC-3 into KISS mode via it's command configuration.  Configure a new port in APRSISCE/32 of type KISS and set the proper COM port and baud rate.  Connect the correct kind of serial cable and it should work.  Just make sure you power-cycle the KPC-3+ (if it's a plus version) every few days to avoid the packet delay issue in that TNC.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/28/2011 10:48 PM, Brian Cochran wrote:

I want to cross 6m 2m and 440 1200 baud so users in my ares group can get access via the band available. Often 2m is to busy to use during a event like the one we have coming up most of us will be on 440 we are adding the 6m to the setup so we can cover the areas we just can’t get into on 2m we have several forest areas that we can not get a digi into. As I cannot figure out how to get the program to talk to a KPC-3 which I have a stack of sitting here with dust I had to use the agwpe. Has anyone figured out how to get the kantronics product working? I’m not buying new gear when I have good working gear. I wanted to try this program so I don’t have to buy a $100 map set for each receive location in the county but I just cannot get it to do what I needed it to do. 30m was just a fun after thought for future fun it would not be cross digi just igate.

 

 

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:40 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] port setup question

 

 

APRSISCE/32 currently supports only the first port in an AGW instance.

Cross-port digipeating is coming in the future.  But do you really want to cross-digi from 2m or 6m (1200 or 9600 baud) to 30m (300 baud)?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/28/2011 9:53 PM, Brian Cochran wrote:

Since I could not get my KPC-3+ working with a direct kiss connection I am using AGWPE for the interface. Question is in the port setup on APRSIS/32 I don’t see where I can tell it which port to use? As I will be adding 6m , 30m, and 440 ports in the future how do I tell the new port config where to connect in AGWPE?

Then the big question but will deal with it later as I-Gate is more important is now how to DIGI all ports across each other?

 

 

Brian Cochran, WC4J

703-965-6011

Wc4j@...

www.wc4j.com

DX Telnet Cluster dxc.wc4j.net

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Julian's News

Halim Dani <yc2tjv@...>
 

Just read the shocking news of Julian, be strong Julian, this is not easy, but nothing impossible in this life .... keep praying, keep  QSO, keep QRV ...

regards from Indonesia

de Dani, YB2TJV and Family



--- On Wed, 6/29/11, vk2asy wrote:

From: vk2asy
Subject: [aprsisce] Re: Julian's News
To: aprsisce@...
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 5:17 PM

 

I've only known Julian for a few months via this group, I can understand the feeling you so well describes in your posting on your web site. I do feel as if I have known you for ages..

My wife and I send our thoughts and prayers to you, Julian and your family, I trust you enjoy your time, and make a few more contacts / posts and what ever else is enjoyable..

Kindest regards.. Kim and Ann from Oz..

--- In aprsisce@..., "w7boz" wrote:
>
> That is some terrible news! I will pray that he can keep ahead of the tumor and still live a long happy life. I hope he can still enjoy his radio gear as long as he can. Julian, if you read this I pray the best for you and best wishes.
>
> Kevin
> W7BOZ
>
> --- In aprsisce@..., "Steve Daniels" wrote:
> >
> > I sent Julian a good luck text message the other day. I wish him and his
> > family all the best
> >
> > As you can tell from the messages here and the videos in the wiki Julian has
> > had, and hopefully still will have a significant impact on both the members
> > of this group, and to the wider community. Not to mention APRSISCE/32
> > development. So much so that a feature I requested, that has yet to be
> > implemented, Jokingly got named after Julian.
> >
> > As for QRU all the lifeboat station I have displaying are down to Julian, I
> > feel it's a little early to be worrying about Julian's objects, and he has
> > better things to be doing at the moment. If t comes to it I will recreate
> > them.
> >
> >
> >
> > I feel sure that Julian would appreciate messages of support
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Daniels
> >
> > G6UIM
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
> > Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
> > Sent: 28 June 2011 16:37
> > To: aprsisce@...
> > Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Julian's News
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If Julian has a chance to send someone (you or me or Steve, G6UIM) his
> > APRSIS32.XML file, we can strip out the QRU objects for WOTA and describe
> > how to get them supported in your instance.
> >
> > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
> >
> > On 6/28/2011 11:26 AM, Mark Burfield wrote:
> >
> > Very sad news to receive this morning about Julian and our thaughts are with
> > him and his family.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone on group that can bring me upto full speed on QRU server
> > and objects as Julian has the 214 wainwrights which are a very handy
> > resource and would like to think about adopting these myself for the use by
> > others and to preserve julians hard work.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Mark MM1MPB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Lynn W > >
> > To: aprsisce@...
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:11 PM
> >
> > Subject: [aprsisce] Julian's News
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For those of you that know (directly or indirectly through this group)
> > Julian, G4ILO, he just posted news of his current medical condition to
> > his blog at:
> >
> > http://blog.g4ilo.com/2011/06/final-over.html
> >
> > Warning: This is a mortality reminder for all of us.
> >
> > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - With thoughts and prayers going out for Julian
> >
>


Re: I'm back wiith a different problem

Richard Johnson <rjjohn60@...>
 

The copied of Uiview 32 I have running are on machines scattered across 4 states. The isn't any big deal. I can easily install another copy on the machine I am testing and try it.

On Scott Miller. I sent him another email yesterday with return receipt turned on. I received nothing back. The last response I received from him was on June 4th. I'm beginning to think my email is getting caught is a SPAM filter somewhere. The interesting thing is I have placed 2 orders online with him in June and received the items promptly. Also my initial email to him right after Dayton went through. I do not know what is going on with communication with him.

I have tracked down one of the OT+USB problems to be that you can not write a config to it without USBKiss checked and expect to talk to it later on the USB Interface to do anything with his config program or hyper-terminal. When it fails you can talk to it on the serial interface and then reload the firmware and force it back to default. That is the reason for the reloading of the firmware multiple times. I would use his TNC in this application but at this point I'm afraid of the reliability on it. I have never had problems with his stuff in the past. If I can get the 3 bugs I have worked out then I will reconsider using it. I have an OT+ in one of my cars. I originally bought this one to put in another car.

On the tower access, I have to live with what the tower owner dictates. He is a ham but wants nothing to do with the APRS any more. A new additional hard line going up there will cost $4,000. He also supplied the TNC. I supplied the radio and PC running APSIS32. No mountain tops around here. Enough of that...

On Hyperterminal vs. Procomm. I wrote a Procomm script almost 20 years ago that interrogates a NWS weather observation system at our airport. It checks the weather every 15 minutes and if the snow meets certain parameters it pages the plow drivers at home to come in and start plowing. It only runs at night when the airport is unattended. That system is still running today unchanged under DOS. So yes I have used Procomm+.

Thanks for the help.

Ken - N9KB

--- In aprsisce@..., "Keith VE7GDH" <ve7gdh@...> wrote:

Ken N9KB wrote...

First, I have made the decision to use APRSIS32 on this I-gate.
I have many copies of UI-View32 running around here and I am
very familiar with it. I was going to switch to UI-View 32 only
as a diagnostic procedure to see if the problem changes. My
comment to Lynn was because of his response it is no longer
necessary for me to to make that switch to UI-View32 for
diagnostic purposes.
If you have a number of copies of UI-View running, it should
only take a moment to disconnect whatever TNC it was using
(com port none) and connect the KPC9612+ and select the com
port again, click on KISS and SETUP and click on KAN (for
of coursse Kantronics) and it (at least one port) should be up
and running. As I mentioned before, you could also use a terminal
program just to confirm that you could communicate with the TNC.

You probably did not see my previous thread. This unit I have
put together is going up on a 350 foot tower to replace one that
died many months ago. The one that died is also a KPC9612+
with a PC running UI-View32 in the radio shack at the base of
the tower. The previously installed one was receive only and
I did not install it.
I saw and read the thread, but didn't necessarily connect it to
you. I go through sometimes hundreds of emails every day. It's
pretty easy sometimes to disassociate one thread with another.

Because the tower owner will not let me climb the tower...
That's pretty standard practice, but instead of 350 foot towers,
we put them on mountain tops and use just 100 foot towers. That
way, the feed line losses are acceptable and the equipment can
be on the ground - hi! Your way eliminates the feedline losses,
but does make it impossible to get to the equipment until a
climber is available.

I need to have this system fully tested and de-bugged before
someone goes up there with it. It has been running in a test mode
at my house hooked to an antenna at 65 feet for about 3 or 4 weeks.
It has worked flawlessly and I have only made a few minor
changes during the testing period.
Would it be worthwhile investing in some hardline? That way you
have the equipment at ground level and easy to get to.

This one bug has been there since I started but I did not realize
exactly what the issue is until I changed frequencies on it last week
for some testing of a new OT+USB. I do have another 9612 here
that could be installed or an OT+USB. The OT has a few reliability
problems. I have to keep reloading the firmware. Scott has stopped
answering my notes. He may be out of town or something. I guess I
could stick it in there and see if it has the same squelch issue as the
KPC.
I don't know if Scott is away or not, but he answered four messages
this morning. I have an OT-USB, but haven't done much with it yet.
If you don't need a dual-port TNC, I would go with an OT2m. I've
never had to re-load firmware into any of Scott's products just to
get it going. I always use unsquelched audio with a KPC2, KPC3,
KPC3+, T2-135 etc. It effectively makes the radio a lot more sensitive
and better able to decode weak signals.

I am only using one port on the 9612. The TNC is being used as
an I-Gate so I have no need for the second port.
I would get another TNC and keep the 9612 for something else.

I am really thinking I have something set up wrong. What I did
not understand was in KISS mode "Where is the software Carrier
Detection done?." Lynn answered that question. (In the TNC
and not in APRSIS32).
In a KPC3+ this would be "CD SOFT". I don't know if it's the
same command in the 9612. You could run with open squelch
audio from the radio then.

This thing acts like CD is reversed. In typing this note I just
thought of something. If all of the software CD detection is done
in the TNC, then maybe I ought to get out an RS 232 breakout box
and observe a the CD line in the RS232 cable between the PC...
It wouldn't hurt. However, all I suspect that you would see would
you would see on the receive side would be to hear the received
audio and see the data spat out on the serial port immedialtely.
As mentioned before, the "carrier detect" we are talking about is
in the TNC, nothing to do with the serial port.

and the TNC. This would also tell me if the data is indeed sent
immediately or if the PC is holding it until CD changes state.
It could be the CD line floating or something or the PC is ignoring
CD. Another thought along this line is I am not running a true
serial port on the PC. I am running a USB to serial converter.
I'll have to see if I still have an old laptop around here with
a true serial port.
That would rule out a problem with a USB to serial adapter as
being part of the problem. The "DCD" line on the serial port
shouldn't be of importance. There shouldn't actually be any need
to use any flow control on the serial port.

Thanks for getting me thinking. Now I have to find that old
breakout box and a couple of 9 to 25 pin adapters. I haven't
worked on RS-232 problems since about 1980.
Again, it won't hurt to look at the serial port, but I don't think that
is where the problem lies.

Oh Yes. The TNC communicates fine with Hyperterminal. I use
it all the time to look at the internal settings on the TNC. I do have
to shut off the RF interface in APRSIS32 to release the serial
port so Hyper-terminal can access it. I do leave APRSIS32
running during this time on the IS interface only. Also by shutting
off the RF interface in APRSIS32 the TNC drops back out of
KISS mode and into command mode. I think I answered all
of your questions and I appreciate any suggestions people have.
Hyperterminal... the terminal program that everyone loves to hate!
Last century, Procomm+ was my old favourite. In recent years, I've
been using Tera Term Pro. I know what you mean about com ports
not getting released. That can get you going around in circles for a
while!

Good luck with it. I've been a bit busy for the last 24 hours, so I
hope I'm not commenting on things that are no longer relevant. I'll
try and get caught up a bit later.

73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"