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Re: Ironman Setup - Questions

sbd sbd
 

-b/WINLINK will get rid of the winlink and –s/_ will remove weather stations

 

You only need the ?Group if you want to use QRU otherwise they can be set to show as objects if you setup a transmit time.

You can enter using lat/lon but you need to edit the xml file to do that http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/editing-xml-configuration

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Rud Merriam
Sent: 20 May 2011 18:49
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Ironman Setup - Questions

 

 

Please have some leeway for me today as I setup for Saturday's TX Ironman. I may ask some simple questions when I can find the answers quickly. Just trying to get this done...

I am using the group Ironman for all entries. Don't think that does anyone else any good since it is not ?Ironman but maybe... All items will start with id TxIr unless I need to abbreviate further. One specific Id is TxIrAid-5. I will go active at 7:30 am CDT.

Is there a way to create Items using lat/long rather than spotting them on the map? I guess I can do an overlay and then create an Item on top but maybe there is another way?

Is there any way to turn off the NEWS circle?

What is the filter for weather stations and Winlink (-10) stations so i don't see them or get them?

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software


Re: Overlay files

Rud Merriam <k5rud@...>
 

TA DA! http://www.aprs.net/vm/DOS/OVERLAYS.HTM

POS file content description.

Google found it that time.

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 12:47 PM, Bill V WA7NWP wrote:

 

> APRSDOS pre-dates my APRS experience, so I wouldn't know for sure. I
> just quote where I heard about it from those that asked for the support.
>
> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
>
> PS. If we can track down the source, it'd be a nice bit of trivia for
> the Wiki page about .POS overlays.

It's all in Bob's docs... which are a challenge even for Google... :)

http://aprs.org/APRS-docs/APRSDATA.TXT

There's probably a lot more but this is representative...

"APRSdata uses all of the POS\*.POS data files that you already have. To
see these in any version of APRSdos, just hit the MAPS-OVERLAYS commands.
These POS\*.POS files are distributed with each of the major APRSdos
Map distributions."

Bill


Re: Overlay files

Fred Hillhouse
 

Sharing objects for the purpose of RFing them doesn't make sense. The ownership gets bounced around and that can be messy.
 
Querying is great! For a race or SAR event, one set of data is maintained and others can pull it up. And, the data can be kept very local.
 
In Rud's case, the race event coordinator for the APRS tracking portion could create the objects and others can do the query. No object ownership issues. Of course one has to use APRSISCE/32.
 
Sharing a file with points of interest that should not go out over RF is a different animal. For instance, if I have a file with a group of people that includes coordinates, addresses, phone numbers, emails, etc, I don't want them to ever transmit in any form. Personally, I consider the GPX file the standard for this type of file since it is of a personal nature and I use it only with map software and my GPS.
 
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH
 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 13:24
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

My intent is that anything that is shared from APRSISCE/32 should be done via published APRS messages so that any spec-compliant client, regardless of platform or communications connection, can process and use the information.  In the case of stuff contained in a .POS file, I believe they're better done as objects in a queriable group, possibly with an interval in some upcoming release, so that other clients and/or radios can simply send the appropriate APRS message to the "master" station to receive the current state of the event.

.POS files must be sneaker-netted around and may drift out of date as the situation changes.  I really only built support for them for backward-compatibility reasons for people that have a large investment in such things from older clients.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 5/20/2011 1:14 PM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:

I have one example that was sent to me. I will probably add other examples from the linked site. I have not looked at them closely to determine usefulness to me. However, there are a couple of things that come to mind.
 
A POS file is just text. Create/edit it with Notepad or some other text editor. To create your own, look at the examples on the linked site. They will give an example of what to include. Then, test it.
 
The beauty of a POS file is the sharing aspect. I can share the file easily with other users; UI-View, APRSISCE/32 and maybe others.
 
I don't know how they compare with what I can create in APRSISCE/32. I think the only issue in APRSISCE/32 is sharing them with other users.  I see the need for sharing, but I haven't really explored it yet.
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH
 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Rud Merriam
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:37
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.


- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:
 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software



Ironman Setup - Questions

Rud Merriam <k5rud@...>
 

Please have some leeway for me today as I setup for Saturday's TX Ironman. I may ask some simple questions when I can find the answers quickly. Just trying to get this done...

I am using the group Ironman for all entries. Don't think that does anyone else any good since it is not ?Ironman but maybe... All items will start with id TxIr unless I need to abbreviate further. One specific Id is TxIrAid-5. I will go active at 7:30 am CDT.

Is there a way to create Items using lat/long rather than spotting them on the map? I guess I can do an overlay and then create an Item on top but maybe there is another way?

Is there any way to turn off the NEWS circle?

What is the filter for weather stations and Winlink (-10) stations so i don't see them or get them?


--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software


Re: Overlay files

 

APRSDOS pre-dates my APRS experience, so I wouldn't know for sure. I
just quote where I heard about it from those that asked for the support.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS. If we can track down the source, it'd be a nice bit of trivia for
the Wiki page about .POS overlays.
It's all in Bob's docs... which are a challenge even for Google... :)

http://aprs.org/APRS-docs/APRSDATA.TXT

There's probably a lot more but this is representative...

"APRSdata uses all of the POS&#92;*.POS data files that you already have. To
see these in any version of APRSdos, just hit the MAPS-OVERLAYS commands.
These POS&#92;*.POS files are distributed with each of the major APRSdos
Map distributions."


Bill


Re: Overlay files

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

APRSDOS pre-dates my APRS experience, so I wouldn't know for sure. I just quote where I heard about it from those that asked for the support.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS. If we can track down the source, it'd be a nice bit of trivia for the Wiki page about .POS overlays.

On 5/20/2011 1:26 PM, Bill V WA7NWP wrote:
Overlay / .POS file support was added for backward compatibility with UI-View which determined the file format.
Aren't these the .pos files defined by the original APRSDOS?


Bill - WA7NWP


Re: Overlay files

 


Overlay / .POS file support was added for backward compatibility with UI-View which determined the file format.

Aren't these the .pos files defined by the original APRSDOS?


Bill - WA7NWP


Re: Overlay files

Rud Merriam <k5rud@...>
 

Lynn & all,

I am happy to pointers to anything, anywhere. I know the challenge of documenting complex sofware. BTDT, t-shirt and the whole thing.

In response, I will point out when a pointer to something is not adequate, as with the POS file content. All I could find is that POS was good for overlays but did not see any description of what went into the file. I used Google but didn't find anything describing the content.

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 12:19 PM, Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:

 

Overlay / .POS file support was added for backward compatibility with UI-View which determined the file format.  Eventually we may get around to copy/pasting the appropriate section of the UI-View help file describing it, but we've got plenty of new interface stuff to describe to start re-documenting things that already exist somewhere else.

Be assured that the Wiki will eventually catch up with the capabilities, but in the meantime, please don't take offense if we provide pointers to where you might find the details of things like this.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 5/20/2011 12:36 PM, Rud Merriam wrote:

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:
 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

 

 



Re: Overlay files

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

My intent is that anything that is shared from APRSISCE/32 should be done via published APRS messages so that any spec-compliant client, regardless of platform or communications connection, can process and use the information.  In the case of stuff contained in a .POS file, I believe they're better done as objects in a queriable group, possibly with an interval in some upcoming release, so that other clients and/or radios can simply send the appropriate APRS message to the "master" station to receive the current state of the event.

.POS files must be sneaker-netted around and may drift out of date as the situation changes.  I really only built support for them for backward-compatibility reasons for people that have a large investment in such things from older clients.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 5/20/2011 1:14 PM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:

I have one example that was sent to me. I will probably add other examples from the linked site. I have not looked at them closely to determine usefulness to me. However, there are a couple of things that come to mind.
 
A POS file is just text. Create/edit it with Notepad or some other text editor. To create your own, look at the examples on the linked site. They will give an example of what to include. Then, test it.
 
The beauty of a POS file is the sharing aspect. I can share the file easily with other users; UI-View, APRSISCE/32 and maybe others.
 
I don't know how they compare with what I can create in APRSISCE/32. I think the only issue in APRSISCE/32 is sharing them with other users.  I see the need for sharing, but I haven't really explored it yet.
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH
 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Rud Merriam
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:37
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.


- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:
 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software



Re: Overlay files

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Overlay / .POS file support was added for backward compatibility with UI-View which determined the file format.  Eventually we may get around to copy/pasting the appropriate section of the UI-View help file describing it, but we've got plenty of new interface stuff to describe to start re-documenting things that already exist somewhere else.

Be assured that the Wiki will eventually catch up with the capabilities, but in the meantime, please don't take offense if we provide pointers to where you might find the details of things like this.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 5/20/2011 12:36 PM, Rud Merriam wrote:

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:
 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

 

 



Re: Overlay files

Fred Hillhouse
 

I have one example that was sent to me. I will probably add other examples from the linked site. I have not looked at them closely to determine usefulness to me. However, there are a couple of things that come to mind.
 
A POS file is just text. Create/edit it with Notepad or some other text editor. To create your own, look at the examples on the linked site. They will give an example of what to include. Then, test it.
 
The beauty of a POS file is the sharing aspect. I can share the file easily with other users; UI-View, APRSISCE/32 and maybe others.
 
I don't know how they compare with what I can create in APRSISCE/32. I think the only issue in APRSISCE/32 is sharing them with other users.  I see the need for sharing, but I haven't really explored it yet.
 
Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH
 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Rud Merriam
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:37
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.


- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:

 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software


Re: WIKI updating

g4ilo
 

To be fair, APRS101 probably isn't the ideal document for newbies. It's more aimed at people like Lynn, and others who want to really understand every aspect of APRS. I don't really know of any good user-oriented guides to APRS but if anyone knows of them perhaps there should be a "reference section" in the wiki that could contain links to them.

Indeed, if there were a good APRS wiki then keywords in the APRSISCE wiki could link to the relevant descriptions of terms in that, a bit like wikipedia does. There is one (http://info.aprs.net/index.php/Main_Page) but it doesn't have a description of "item" so in this case (and many others) it wouldn't help.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@..., Rud Merriam <k5rud@...> wrote:

The counter argument is the newbie, like myself, to both APRS and
aprsis32 doesn't know what is in aprs101 versus aprsis32 specific. It is
just plain frustrating when you are trying to make quick progress on
using the application to always have to wonder is it Lynn or APRS?

Adding something like, "See APRS101" for standard items <grin> would be
good.

I do appreciate the work that goes into the Wiki. If I were confident of
my understanding of the material I'd be contributing.

- 73 -
*Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
/Montgomery County ARES® <http://www.wa5eoc.org/> /
* /Mystic Lake Software <http://mysticlakesoftware.com/>
/

On 5/20/2011 3:21 AM, g4ilo wrote:

An item is defined in the APRS spec. Arguably it is not the purpose of
the wiki to describe the whole of APRS as well.

See APRS101
(ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/aprsspec/spec/aprs101/APRS101.pdf) page 57.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@... <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>,
Ian Wade G3NRW <g3nrw@> wrote:

From: Rud Merriam <k5rud@>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 Time: 15:52:13

What is an item? There is a check box on the Object dialog but no
explanation in the wiki.


Re: Overlay files

Rud Merriam <k5rud@...>
 

The article is good if you have a POS file. But it doesn't say how a file is created (manually) or anything about the format of the contents. By looking at an example I determined it was (roughly) the data portion of a packet.

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

On 5/20/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:

 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

 

 


Re: WIKI updating

James Ewen
 

I guess the answer then is to put a message on the first page of the
Wiki that says, "If you don't see it here, look in the APRS 101
document"

Lynn's program isn't creating any new definitions for APRS, just
creating a new way of interacting with them.

If you want to know what a position report is, go read the spec. If
you want to know how to send one in APRSISCE/32 look at the Wiki or
ask here.

Same goes for objects and items. If you don't know what they are, read
the spec. When you determine that you might want to use them, read the
Wiki to see how to make them in the program.

As has been stated, there's no reason to rewrite the whole definition
of APRS yet again. That would be akin to writing all the rules for
driving a car in the owner's manual. The owner's manual just describes
the features available in the vehicle, not how to drive, speed limits,
traffic signage, etc.

Sorry, but you're going to have to invest a little bit of time reading
and researching this facet of the hobby. It's not quite as easy as the
care and feeding of a pet rock.

James
VE6SRV

On 5/20/11, Rud Merriam <k5rud@...> wrote:
The counter argument is the newbie, like myself, to both APRS and
aprsis32 doesn't know what is in aprs101 versus aprsis32 specific. It is
just plain frustrating when you are trying to make quick progress on
using the application to always have to wonder is it Lynn or APRS?

Adding something like, "See APRS101" for standard items <grin> would be
good.

I do appreciate the work that goes into the Wiki. If I were confident of
my understanding of the material I'd be contributing.

- 73 -
*Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
/Montgomery County ARES® <http://www.wa5eoc.org/> /
* /Mystic Lake Software <http://mysticlakesoftware.com/>
/

On 5/20/2011 3:21 AM, g4ilo wrote:

An item is defined in the APRS spec. Arguably it is not the purpose of
the wiki to describe the whole of APRS as well.

See APRS101
(ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/aprsspec/spec/aprs101/APRS101.pdf) page 57.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@... <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>,
Ian Wade G3NRW <g3nrw@...> wrote:

From: Rud Merriam <k5rud@...>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 Time: 15:52:13

What is an item? There is a check box on the Object dialog but no
explanation in the wiki.


Re: Overlay files

sbd sbd
 

We have a link in the Wiki to Chip’s write up of overlays. It’s well worth a read if you wonder about overlays

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of CJ Chapman
Sent: 20 May 2011 15:17
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: re: [aprsisce] Overlay files

 

 

Correction to the URL for the KARC webpage for How to Use Overlay Files as a space ended up in the link:

http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlays.htm

Cheers & 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: "CJ Chapman"
Sent: May 20, 2011 7:55 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Overlay files


 

Basicically overlay files are a text file that has an object name, icon, lat/long and a comment.

UI-VIew overlay files are directly compatible with APRSIS.

I have used my overlay files with APRSIS32 on a Windows 7 platform.  I will try and borrow a Windows Mobile and loadup the mobile app APRSISCE and see if the overlays work the same way on the mobile deivice.  If some one is already using overlay files on a mobile app and confirm this it would help. 

I am presently updating the "How to Use Overlay Files" on the Kingston ARC web page to include how to use overlay files with APRSIS32. There are a couple of overlay files on the page that you can download and use a text editor to look at for the format. Note that unlike other APRS programs, APRSIS does not require a specific directory/folder for the overlay files to be in.   http://www.ve3kbr.com/aprs/aprs_overlay s.htm

If you download any of the files on the KARC website note that they have not been updated for some time but will be updated shortly (Have to located my original spreadsheet since I've changed computers).

I will disect one of the files and post the format here on the list as well as on the KARC web page.

Once I have the updates done they wil be passed for input on the wiki as well.

Cheers and 73
Chip, VA3KGB


From: Rud Merriam
Sent: May 20, 2011 1:49 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] More Questions


 

Am I correct in assuming that overlay files are basically the data content of packets listed in a file? Any reference to how overlay files are created or formatted? I have created one with the Aid stations for the TX Ironman by assuming it was a packet data string.

Is there any way to load general shape files to display them?

What is the "Screen | Preferred | Multitrack | Percent etc"

--

- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
Emergency Coordinator
Montgomery County ARES®
Mystic Lake Software

 

 


Re: WIKI updating

kc8sfq
 

Outstanding Thank you.

73  Ron
++++++++++++
> I have a screen shot from Lynn that has all the little boxes, lines,
> and everything else on it that I have to disect and turn into a Wiki
> page. I'm just in the middle of an ARES activation in support of a
> 10,000 person fire evacuation. When I get back and after it, that page
> will be forthcoming.
>
> James
> VE6SRV
>
>
> On 5/20/11, kc8sfq@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to see a screen shot of the map screen with all the little
>> boxes
>> and creeping lines of various colors explained. I'm sure it's probably
>> all
>> in there but it'd be easier for us newbies if it were consolidated
>>
>>  "with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
>> telling what each one was" (any body else remember that line) Think
>> Arlo Guthrie about 1968
>>
>> Please don't think that I'm
>> complaining. Quite the contrary, I've done just enough programing to
>> understand the enortmity of a task of this nature. Thank you.
>>
>> 73  Ron
>> +++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>> Well that's
>> the answer then, I will attempt to reorganise a bit and see if
>>>
>> I
>>> can get recently changes/added bit showing somewhere
>>
>>
>


New poll for aprsisce

aprsisce@...
 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
aprsisce group:

Should objects in a query-able (starts with ? group) be locally refreshed if they are enabled, but have no via's selected? Non-queryable objects work this way (I think).

o Yes, If I enable it with no via, I want to see it.
o No, ignore the enable if there's no interval or via.
o Objects? What's an Object?


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aprsisce/surveys?id=2368959

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


New poll for aprsisce

aprsisce@...
 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
aprsisce group:

Should objects in query-able (first character is ?) groups be transmitted periodically if they have a non-zero interval at at least one via specified?

o No, ?groups are on-demand only
o Yes, if I put an interval & via, they are demand AND timed
o Huh? What's an object group and what's a ? got to do with anythng?


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aprsisce/surveys?id=2368944

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


Re: 10 meter aprs

G0JXN Jim
 

Hi Guys

Colin, I am not aware of any other APRS on 10m.

73

Jim, G0XN/MB7UXN

--- In aprsisce@..., Colin Catlin <colin2e0xsd@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that clarification, I was just going by memory (which isn't
that good).
I (like Julian) have heard some activity on 29.250 MHz FM before (last
summer) but at the time I wasn't able to decode it.
Are there any other frequencies on 10m FM 1200bd that might have APRS
activity?


73,
Colin.


On 20/05/2011 13:21, g0jxn wrote:

Hi Guys

Colin, 29.250 MHz FM has been used in the past in Europe with 1200bd
although it is not allocated as such. During the last maximum I was
QRV and had some good contacts across Europe and a report from the USA
who sadly are not authorised for that mode on that frequency. For that
reason I am currently QRV on 28.140 MHz USB 300bd. No contacts over
the last month but we live in hope.

73

Jim,G0JXN/MB7UXN

--- In aprsisce@... <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>,
Colin Catlin <colin2e0xsd@> wrote:

I believe the European allocation for APRS is 29.250MHz FM and it uses
the same AX25 protocol as 2m. Not sure what is used in the rest of the
World.
I don't think 10m is used much though, which I think is a shame
since it
would be a good indicator of band conditions, I'm certainly thinking of
using 10m for this reason.


73,
Colin.



On 20/05/2011 00:56, don.w9jun wrote:

Is 10 meter APRS used? If so, what is the protocol associated with 10
meter APRS?


Re: Killed Objects & Disappearing Objects

apenadragon <kc2ant@...>
 

Right now, any object in a queryable (starts with ?) group is not
transmitted on the timer, but only on demand. As such, they'll also age
out and disappear from your local screen. I plan to change this when I
get to working on objects again, but in the meantime, your only option
is to put them in a group that doesn't start with a ? so that they are
periodically refreshed based on their interval.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

Well that answers that question.

Adam
KC2ANT