Date   
beginner question

Jerry
 

Hello all,
I initially sent this to the club’s general email account and Mike Callaham, NW3V, suggested i submit to this group.

My son and I are studying for the Technician Class license exam and at the same time are learning about and researching to buy our first radio.
Unfortunately I’ll be traveling for work this week and am not able to attend the monthly meeting or I would introduce myself and ask in person.

I’m thinking of starting with a handheld transceiver and adding/upgrading from there as we grow into it.

The Baofeng’s seem to get good reviews as an entry-level radio at an affordable price.
I found one model (UV-5X3) that is a tri-band that includes the 220-225 MHz band.
From what I’ve read on-line, that band has been less-used in the past but I don’t know if that has changed.

so my questions are:
1. Should I look only at radios that include the 220-225MHz band? is this an important feature for a first radio?
2. Do you have any concerns about starting with a handheld?
3. Do you have any comments or concerns about Baofeng’s in general? Until I saw the UV-5X3 I was looking at the UV-82HP or the BF-F8HP (though the lower speaker power has me leaning towards the UV-82HP).

thank you for your time,
Jerry Foster

Re: AARC February Meeting Notice

Michael Callaham
 

Ramp access for mobility devices will not be available at the February
meeting. The home page at w4wvp.org has been updated to note this. Ramp
access is expected to be available at future meetings.

73,
--Mike NW3V

On Tue, 2019-02-12 at 07:15 -0800, Paul Wilson KI4PW wrote:
...
--
Science matters. Matter matters.
Energy matters, including dark energy.

FCC seeks comment on proposed rule-making re: station ID

Paul Wilson KI4PW
 

As mentioned on last evening's Arlington County Net, the FCC is inviting public comment on a proposal that would modify station identification rules during emergency nets, drills, and activations.

Here's the ARRL's write-up:

http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-invites-comments-on-amateur-radio-related-petition-for-rule-making

The FCC has invited public comments on a Petition for Rule Making (RM-11826) from an Ohio radio amateur seeking to amend the Part 97 station identification rules to better accommodate and simplify station identification during an emergency net, drill, or activation. ARRL member Robert A. Dukish, KK8DX, filed the petition in December, and the FCC put it on public notice this week. Dukish seeks a change to Section 97.119(a) of the rules, which requires an amateur station to transmit its “assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication.”

He noted that during emergency networks, requiring participating stations — often portable — to use their assigned call signs during each transmission could prove “burdensome and can hinder the flow of emergency traffic on the channel.”

Specifically, he is suggesting that a simple approach would be to permit the net control station or other designated participant to announce from a single point the call signs of every station taking part in the net or exercise, when tactical call signs often are in use, at 10-minute intervals, using automatic CW identification.

Dukish suggested amending Section 97.119(a) to add, “except during a local emergency network activation or drill,” and providing that in such situations, a net control or designations station would be “authorized to announce all participating stations’ assigned call signs at no more than 10-minute intervals while the net is in progress.” The amendment would provide that participating stations “be within a 50-mile distance of the identifying station, and each individual station must self-identify by transmitting its assigned call sign at least once per hour.” CW transmission could be no faster than 25 WPM if sent automatically to satisfy the suggested amendment.

In his petition, Dukish noted petitions filed in 2005 and 2006 seeking changes to the Amateur Radio station identification rules. The FCC did not adopt either proposal.

Interested parties may comment via the FCC Electronic Comment Filing Service (ECFS).

AARC February Meeting Notice

Paul Wilson KI4PW
 

Please join us for the February meeting of the Arlington Amateur Radio Club.

Date and time: February 19, 2019, 7 p.m.

Place: St. Thomas More Cathedral School, 105 N. Thomas St, Arlington, Va.

Talk-in: W4WVP/R, 145.470 MHz, -600 kHz offset, PL 107.2

Program: APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) by Aaron, KN4GXC.

Re: Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

John Person
 

Thanks, Al!

jack

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:41 AM DrZ <@DrZ1953> wrote:

John,
You are not right! The sub-audible Tone (CTCSS) is used to transmit to the
repeater from your radio. The REPEATER always hears the tone on it's
Receive frequency that you are sending to it, and, this allows the
repeater to open to your radio transmissions. The tone opens the repeater
for each and every transmission when you push the PTT switch. The 145.47Mhz
machine uses a tone of 107.2 Hz on it's receive. You HEAR the repeater
600Hz up from the frequency that you that you actually transmit to the
repeater (144.870) on your transmit frequency only.. With a tone to the
repeater of 107.2 to open it. In this case you actually transmit to the
repeater on 144.870Mhz with a tone. Tone is used on transmit only. Tone
must be transmitted to the repeater for it to open and work. Tone is a way
of squelching a repeater from interference to and from other repeaters.
Now... the UHF repeater uses a different Tone. Check out the Arlington web
page or buy a repeater directory for other tones for other repeaters.!
Repeaters are listed in the directories by receive frequency. And, plus
or minus is used to tell you if your transmit frequency is above or below
the repeaters output frequency. Almost all repeaters in Virginia and the
country use CTCSS tones on the repeaters Receive frequency.

The webpage is absolutely correct: I have reprinted the Website extract
for you.

"About W4WVP Repeaters
The W4WVP 2-meter repeater is located in Arlington County and utilizes
several remote receivers. This repeater is open for general amateur use. It
transmits on 145.47 MHz and receives on 144.87 MHz. A subaudible PL (CTCSS)
tone of 107.2 Hz is required on your 144.87 MHz signal to access it.

The W4WVP 70-cm repeater, donated by member Dennis Welch, WB7VUM, is also
located in Arlington County and is open for general amateur use. It
transmits on 449.325 MHz and receives on 444.325 MHz. A subaudible PL
(CTCSS) tone of 151.4 Hz is required on your 444.325 MHz signal to access
it."

YOU never transmit on the repeater's output frequency of 145.47Mhz. ...
unless it is a simplex test only or the repeater is down. 145.47Mhz is
where the repeater transmits only and no tone is required for you to
receive.

Al /K4ZB

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Person
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 19:02
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Dear Fellow AARC people

Attached is a page from our website.

My reading shows the subaudible tones on the listening channels.

I am right?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Benn Kobb
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:15 AM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] AMSAT Symposium Ballston

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 –
20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC.
Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to
the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6
miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet
on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News









--
Al Zodun / K4ZB



Re: Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Roy Nickelson
 

Jack,
There is no attachment in your message.
I am not sure what you mean by "listening channels" There is a transmit frequency and receive frequency.
Below is the text I think you are referring to with further comment below that.

The W4WVP 2-meter repeater is located in Arlington County and utilizes several remote receivers. This repeater is open for general amateur use. It transmits
on 145.47 MHz and receives on 144.87 MHz. A subaudible PL (
CTCSS)
tone of 107.2 Hz is required on your 144.87 MHz signal to access it.

The W4WVP 70-cm repeater, donated by member Dennis Welch, WB7VUM, is also located in Arlington County and is open for general amateur use. It transmits
on 449.325 MHz and receives on 444.325 MHz. A subaudible PL (
CTCSS)
tone of 151.4 Hz is required on your 444.325 MHz signal to access it.

So tone for the 2m repeater is required on the 144.87 (your transmit frequency or the repeater input or the repeater receive frequency).
The same thing goes for the UHF repeater. The tone is required on your transmit frequency. (444.325.

Hope this helps
Roy
AI4GO

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Person
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:02 PM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Dear Fellow AARC people

Attached is a page from our website.

My reading shows the subaudible tones on the listening channels.

I am right?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Benn Kobb
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:15 AM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] AMSAT Symposium Ballston

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 – 20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC. Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6 miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News

Re: Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Paul Wilson KI4PW
 

I thought the 47 machine does have an output tone of 107.2 Hz. It's up to you whether you set the tone squelch on your radios for Rx.

73, KI4PW / Paul

On Feb 12, 2019, at 12:41 AM, DrZ <@DrZ1953> wrote:

John,
You are not right! The sub-audible Tone (CTCSS) is used to transmit to the repeater from your radio. The REPEATER always hears the tone on it's Receive frequency that you are sending to it, and, this allows the repeater to open to your radio transmissions. The tone opens the repeater for each and every transmission when you push the PTT switch. The 145.47Mhz machine uses a tone of 107.2 Hz on it's receive. You HEAR the repeater 600Hz up from the frequency that you that you actually transmit to the repeater (144.870) on your transmit frequency only.. With a tone to the repeater of 107.2 to open it. In this case you actually transmit to the repeater on 144.870Mhz with a tone. Tone is used on transmit only. Tone must be transmitted to the repeater for it to open and work. Tone is a way of squelching a repeater from interference to and from other repeaters.
Now... the UHF repeater uses a different Tone. Check out the Arlington web page or buy a repeater directory for other tones for other repeaters.! Repeaters are listed in the directories by receive frequency. And, plus or minus is used to tell you if your transmit frequency is above or below the repeaters output frequency. Almost all repeaters in Virginia and the country use CTCSS tones on the repeaters Receive frequency.

The webpage is absolutely correct: I have reprinted the Website extract for you.

"About W4WVP Repeaters
The W4WVP 2-meter repeater is located in Arlington County and utilizes several remote receivers. This repeater is open for general amateur use. It transmits on 145.47 MHz and receives on 144.87 MHz. A subaudible PL (CTCSS) tone of 107.2 Hz is required on your 144.87 MHz signal to access it.

The W4WVP 70-cm repeater, donated by member Dennis Welch, WB7VUM, is also located in Arlington County and is open for general amateur use. It transmits on 449.325 MHz and receives on 444.325 MHz. A subaudible PL (CTCSS) tone of 151.4 Hz is required on your 444.325 MHz signal to access it."

YOU never transmit on the repeater's output frequency of 145.47Mhz. ... unless it is a simplex test only or the repeater is down. 145.47Mhz is where the repeater transmits only and no tone is required for you to receive.

Al /K4ZB

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Person
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 19:02
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Dear Fellow AARC people

Attached is a page from our website.

My reading shows the subaudible tones on the listening channels.

I am right?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Benn Kobb
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:15 AM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] AMSAT Symposium Ballston

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 – 20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC. Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6 miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News









--
Al Zodun / K4ZB


Re: Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

DrZ
 

John,
You are not right! The sub-audible Tone (CTCSS) is used to transmit to the repeater from your radio. The REPEATER always hears the tone on it's Receive frequency that you are sending to it, and, this allows the repeater to open to your radio transmissions. The tone opens the repeater for each and every transmission when you push the PTT switch. The 145.47Mhz machine uses a tone of 107.2 Hz on it's receive. You HEAR the repeater 600Hz up from the frequency that you that you actually transmit to the repeater (144.870) on your transmit frequency only.. With a tone to the repeater of 107.2 to open it. In this case you actually transmit to the repeater on 144.870Mhz with a tone. Tone is used on transmit only. Tone must be transmitted to the repeater for it to open and work. Tone is a way of squelching a repeater from interference to and from other repeaters.
Now... the UHF repeater uses a different Tone. Check out the Arlington web page or buy a repeater directory for other tones for other repeaters.! Repeaters are listed in the directories by receive frequency. And, plus or minus is used to tell you if your transmit frequency is above or below the repeaters output frequency. Almost all repeaters in Virginia and the country use CTCSS tones on the repeaters Receive frequency.

The webpage is absolutely correct: I have reprinted the Website extract for you.

"About W4WVP Repeaters
The W4WVP 2-meter repeater is located in Arlington County and utilizes several remote receivers. This repeater is open for general amateur use. It transmits on 145.47 MHz and receives on 144.87 MHz. A subaudible PL (CTCSS) tone of 107.2 Hz is required on your 144.87 MHz signal to access it.

The W4WVP 70-cm repeater, donated by member Dennis Welch, WB7VUM, is also located in Arlington County and is open for general amateur use. It transmits on 449.325 MHz and receives on 444.325 MHz. A subaudible PL (CTCSS) tone of 151.4 Hz is required on your 444.325 MHz signal to access it."

YOU never transmit on the repeater's output frequency of 145.47Mhz. ... unless it is a simplex test only or the repeater is down. 145.47Mhz is where the repeater transmits only and no tone is required for you to receive.

Al /K4ZB

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Person
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 19:02
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

Dear Fellow AARC people

Attached is a page from our website.

My reading shows the subaudible tones on the listening channels.

I am right?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Benn Kobb
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:15 AM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] AMSAT Symposium Ballston

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 – 20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC. Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6 miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News
--
Al Zodun / K4ZB

Sub audible tones for our repeaters on website

John Person
 

Dear Fellow AARC people

Attached is a page from our website.

My reading shows the subaudible tones on the listening channels.

I am right?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io <AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Benn Kobb
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:15 AM
To: AARC-PUBLIC@groups.io
Subject: [AARC-PUBLIC] AMSAT Symposium Ballston

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 – 20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC. Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6 miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News

AMSAT Symposium Ballston

Benn Kobb
 

The 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium will take place on October 18 – 20 at the Hilton Arlington in Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC. Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy access to the capital’s top tourist destinations, and tours will be available; it’s 6 miles from Reagan National Airport. The AMSAT Board of Directors will meet on October 16 – 17. — From ARRL News

Newsline and net 7 pm tonight

Michael Callaham
 

If you can, please tune in at 7 pm tonight to the W4WVP 2-meter
repeater (145.47(-) MHz) for the latest Amateur Radio Newsline report.
Stay to check into the Arlington County Net, which will follow  (CTCSS
107.2 Hz).

73,
--Mike, NW3V
--
Science matters. Matter matters.
Energy matters, including dark energy.

Newsline and net 7 pm tonight

Michael Callaham
 

If you can, please tune in at 7 pm tonight to the W4WVP 2-meter
repeater (145.47(-) MHz) for KD9XB's tramsmission of the latest Amateur
Radio Newsline report. Stay to check into the Arlington County Net,
which will follow  (CTCSS 107.2 Hz).

73,
--Mike, NW3V


--
Science matters. Matter matters.
Energy matters, including dark energy.

Re: Encryption efforts in Colorado challenge crime reporters, transparency

kd9xb
 

Also the subject of a WP story ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/last-of-the-scanners-are-police-security-measures-killing-an-american-obsession/2018/12/28/4e344a62-09f5-11e9-a3f0-71c95106d96a_story.html

And I recently purchased a Uniden BCD436HP at considerable expense.

Bad timing on my part.

Perhaps just as well, as I may never figure out how to use the BCD436HP.

Kim

The Great Airwaves Robbery

Benn Kobb
 

Encryption efforts in Colorado challenge crime reporters, transparency

Benn Kobb
 

Re: Request from Arlington neighbor. I wrote him back inviting him to accompany tomeeting. Jack

Dave Shaw
 

The website www.radioreference.com has audio feeds of most of the non-
encrypted radio traffic.

Also, using this data, there are several smart phone apps that allow you to
listen to the radio traffic.

This would be a free method to check out much of the radio traffic
available in the area.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 7:06 PM kd9xb <kimelli@... wrote:

With agencies using digital systems, scanners have become complicated and
expensive.

A good bet might be the Uniden Homepatrol 2 ...

https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-013840

https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/scanners/6420.html

The small supplied antenna could help limit signals heard to those of
local interest. Configuration can do that, too, but this is where it gets
complicated.

Kim



Re: Request from Arlington neighbor. I wrote him back inviting him to accompany tomeeting. Jack

kd9xb
 

With agencies using digital systems, scanners have become complicated and expensive.

A good bet might be the Uniden Homepatrol 2 ...

https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-013840

https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/scanners/6420.html

The small supplied antenna could help limit signals heard to those of local interest. Configuration can do that, too, but this is where it gets complicated.

Kim

Arlington County Net Tonight 7 pm (145.47 MHz)

Michael Callaham
 

Please tune in to the W4WVP 2-meter repeater tonight (145.47 MHz) for
the Arlington County Net starting at 7 pm with a transmission of the
latest Amateur Radio Newsline program.

73,
--Mike NW3V
--
Science matters. Matter matters.
Energy matters, including dark energy.

Moon eclipse tonight

John Person
 

Eclipses in Washington DC, USA

Jan 21, 2019 at 12:12 am







Max View in Washington DC

Global Event: Total Lunar Eclipse



Local Type: Total Lunar Eclipse, in Washington DC

Begins: Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 9:36 pm

Maximum: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:12 am 1.20 Magnitude

Ends: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 2:48 am

Duration: 5 hours, 12 minutes

Request from Arlington neighbor. I wrote him back inviting him to accompany tomeeting. Jack

John Person
 

Mr. Jack Person Arlington Radio Club
1040 N. Quincy St., Apt. 409

Arlington, VA 22201



Dear Sir:



I live in Arlington , VA at 1900 S. Eads, am physically disabled. and 83 years old. I would like to purchase a VHF scanner for monitoring police and fire broadcasts in the Washington area. Someone suggested that a member of your organization might suggest the best digital scanner for me, and provide me with other useful information. Could you call me at 703-623-5110, or email me at mrharrygildea@... at your convenience.


.Thank you

Harry Gildea